« Harman/AIPAC Part 2 | Main | Harper on the Harman/AIPAC affair. »

22 April 2009

Comments

Feed You can follow this conversation by subscribing to the comment feed for this post.

euclidcreek

Jane Harman and the AIPAC crowd are an existential threat to the United States.

Cato the Censor

The way that members of our nation's oligarchy look out for another would almost be touching if they weren't so hopelessly corrupt and dysfunctional.

J

Colonel,

What our public needs to understand why our IC is so torqued at the Israelis and their spy apparatuses (i.e. Mossad) and their stealing of U.S. military technology, is that when the Israelis 'steal U.S. military tech', that very same tech winds up in the hands of both the Russians and Chinese spy/military apparatuses in very short order.

The Israelis in so doing 'hurt' U.S. national security, and the Israelis call themselves our friends/allies? Another 'bone of contention' is that Israel has a bad habit of withholding critical intelligence and in so doing American military personnel wind up dying as a result of the Israeli intentional withholding of life critical Intel (i.e. Beirut barracks bombing, etc.)

And we still have the decades old with malice and forethought Israel's attack on the USS Liberty, where the Israeli government and its military/intelligence apparatuses willing chose to attack an unarmed U.S. military vessel and murder its crewmen.

It's long past time where our DOD/IC 'demanded' that Israel clean up its nests of spies (both overt and covert) they currently have in our U.S., or we the U.S. will do the cleaning process ourselves and when done will not be a pretty picture!

Israeli intelligence is a 'hostile' entity that MUST be dealt with in a very forceful manner as they have repeatedly and still continue to this very day endanger U.S. lives (both military and civilian)!

Highlander

The manner in which MSM is trying to make the Harman story go away. MSM's essentially ignoring the murder of Colonel William Bennett (unpleasant truths there maybe). These are both examples of MSM censoring the news by selective coverage.

All of this just demostrates how American MSM journalism has descended into corrupt incompetence along with the other American elites. (with the exception of the military and medicine)

MSM still wears a tattered tuxedo, but in reality. It has become nothing more than today's semi irrelevant version of the old Soviet era Pravda.

Thank god for the internet. How long do you think it will be before the political class with the help of the MSM harpies attempts to suppress the net?

Clifford Kiracofe

Could our SST lawyer types clarify a point:

Is it not only improper but also a federal crime for a member of Congress (or anyone) to interfere in a judicial proceeding? Is this not obstruction of justice, or some other related type of crime?
Trying to influence a judge in behalf of someone or trying to influence a criminal investigation or the prosecution?

This is a separate point from the counterintelligence issues raised in these threads on this grave matter.

fnord

My five cents: This is all part of the runup to a confrontation with AIPAC over the two-state solution and Iran. Harman wont get charged, but her influence will be severly curtailed, wich is why this was leaked now. Think of it as taking out the oppositions lead strikers before the battle.

Bill Wade, NH, USA

Suppose that Israel leaked the Harmon phone call. They want the AIPAC spy trial gone and this might be a warning to that effect - "if you don't make this trial go away, we'll expose all your corrupt Congresspersons". It's a bit farfetched but given that I feel most of Congress is somewhat, if not completey, corrupt - then why not?

rjj

Highlander, google cybersecurity bill on Google News.

johnf


"The new Israeli government will not move ahead on the core issues of peace talks with the Palestinians until it sees progress in U.S. efforts to stop Iran's suspected pursuit of a nuclear weapon and limit Tehran's rising influence in the region, according to top government officials familiar with Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's developing policy on the issue."

http://tinyurl.com/datzfe

Things seem to be heating up.

jon

Sounds like this AIPAC staffer 'Someone' overplayed his hand and wound up getting less than he might have. Harman seems more than willing to play ball and do their bidding.

However, when the staffer offered to intercede with Pelosi, this was the proffering of a bribe. Harman recognized this, ended the conversation, and subsequently made no overt acts to carry out AIPAC's bidding on this matter.

Harman's only error was in not disclosing that the bribe was offered to congress or to the FBI at the time it was made. I would expect that members of Congress are presented with such offers on a frequent basis, and generally waive off most as innocent or misguided enthusiasm, or misplaced helpfulness.

I'm no fan of Harmon's, but I don't think there's much legal basis against her. The AIPAC staffer, on the other hand, made the offer of a bribe to a high government official in the service of a foreign power.

I can't believe that Justice is considering dropping other charges against AIPAC employees now.

robt willmann

When I wrote the above posting late last night, I did not retain the fact that the Congressional Quarterly (CQ) article more firmly placed an intercepted telephone conversation of Congresswoman Jane Harman in 2005, as CQ also asserted that she "was overheard on a 2005 National Security Agency wiretap", and "AIPAC dismissed the two [Rosen and Weissman] in May 2005, about five months before Harman’s intercepted conversation".

Thus, CQ places that particular conversation involving Harman in 2005, the Washington Post puts it in 2006, and the New York Times says it is "not clear exactly when the wiretaps occurred".

Although not discussed as much yet, just as serious is Congressional Quarterly's allegation that after Justice Department officials decided there was sufficient evidence to initiate an FBI investigation of Harman, former attorney general Alberto Gonzales "aborted the plan, saying that he needed Harman's help defending the administration's warrantless wiretap program".

This sounds like an attorney general squashing a criminal investigation for purely political reasons, namely, for help in "defending" to the public a "warrantless wiretap program".

Robert Willmann

Cloned Poster

We need to get a life to stop believing politics is an altruistic gesture to give "something" back.

The AIPAC fund is reverse engineering payback.

How they must laugh in Tel Aviv bars. As Ms Harman (is she Jewish) might attest?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/US_aid_to_Israel.gif

fnord

Cloned Poster: Ethnicity has nothing to do with it, except for the possibility of loyalty ties that might interfer with the US.

Off topic: Anyone have any info on the hacked JSF database? Wtf?

fnord

Answer to my own question:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124027491029837401.html

Shit, its been compromised. It means from a Norwegian pov that its vulnerable to bot shit, and things like that. Thats a *major* breach of security, fckin hell.

Mark Stuart

I'm not totally familiar with the US legal system pertaining to National Security and Spies. But do We The American People have any legal recourse to keep the trial on track, were the Government to decide to drop all charges against the two former AIPAC employees?

charlottemom

That "someone" (revealed by Harmon on NPR to be an American) sure has overplayed his hand in the Harmon affair. Let's think...which well connected Dem is known to push the envelope, have his hands in everything and get himself caught on wiretapes (remember the F*@k Blago transcripts)...Rahm Emmanuel. My money is on him and he's already jumped the gun on WH response to prosecuting Bushies on torture methods. Is this scandal more about pressuring "someone" and not about Harman?

@ Bill Wade -- I was never sure that NSA was the actual source of wiretaps. If Israel was the actual source that would be downright Machevellian, but I think improbable.

Latest on MSM - Pelosi (who endorsed Goss/CIA torture knew Harmon was compromised on wiretaps when she very publicly didn't choose Harmon

Dem vs. Dem - this is getting interesting.

DaveGood

fnord......

one site I read places "Terabytes" right next to "Compromised/hacked JSF data"
Not something you'd want to see in the same sentence.

Fingers appear to be pointing, rather conveniently at "Foreign partners" in the JSF program.

Israel is not mentioned, everyone's eyeing Turkey.

DaveGood

Patrick Lang

All

I see no reason to take Harman's word on any of this, i.e., the national identity of her caller or callers (on several possible occasions)

With regard to Pelosi's statement today that she had been notified by the executive branch that Harman was being wire tapped years ago, I suggest tht this notification may have pertained to some other wiretapping DIRECTED AT HARMAN. This transcript may well have little to do with that since the tap was targetted at her caller, not her. pl

Charles I

"The way that members of our nation's oligarchy look out for another would almost be touching if they weren't so hopelessly corrupt and dysfunctional."

Posted by: Cato the Censor

and

"All of this just demostrates how American MSM journalism has descended into corrupt incompetence along with the other American elites. (with the exception of the military and medicine)"

Posted by: Highlander

You guys have it bassackwards.

They are in power, well funded, and emptying your treasury prior to deflating the dollar, along with all real property. They can conjure up a trillion dollar war/corporate welfare plan wherever and whenever required, so long as it doesn't involve hungry Africans or let autoworkers off any one else's petard. They have drastically reduced your civil liberties while enuring you to egregious breach of same. Private armed blackwater mercenaries without legal remit reportedly appeared on the streets of New Orleans to enter, but by no means fill, the vacuum created by your Federal government. PBS is starving while Rush and his ilk command a rabid following. 49% of you , you, you . . . folks, my friends, voted for Sarah Palin. War is money and you have war wars, culture wars, drug wars, wars on poverty(can't win 'em all). Now there is going to be a war on conspicuous consumption, except among those wealthy enough to ignore it. The income gap grows apace as wealth has relentlessly been gerrymandered upwards for decades. No sooner is the USSR "defeated" than Nato is marched up to Russia's border to meet the threat head on.

This is not incompetence.
It is the most corrupt, most empowered, most narcissistic - with apparent good reason, not too many Susan Boyle's up top - most successful oligarchy our species has manifested, now operating on a global scale pursuant to very discrete restricted interests, against the manifest interests of the greatest portion of Creation.

That AIPAC can operate as it does, heretofore with virtual immunity and narrow public awareness is testimony to the efficacy of Power.

jon posits that someone "overplayed" their hand, Capitol hill bribery attempts so rife as to be non-reportable(don't those bums swear some kind of oath to uphold anything?) while robt willmann's postscript reminds us it "sounds like an attorney general squashing a criminal investigation for purely political reasons, namely, for help in "defending" to the public a "warrantless wiretap program".

i.e, covering up one crime to sell another - who knows how many illegal intercepts. Or do we know, anybody?

And all this discrepancy over reported timing details - just the kind bullshit lawyers throw up then seize on to muddy entirely clear waters. Clear, that is, when the light hits it just right. Blink and you miss it, though, all you're left with is hearsay.

DaveGood re "Israel is not mentioned, everyone's eyeing Turkey."

Coincidentally enough Debkafile takes a shot at Turkey today, whilst keeping up the conflict-with-Obama drumbeat:

http://www2.debka.com/headline.php?hid=6039

Jackie Shaw

I recall after the '06 elections and the Dem's taking over, there was a tussle between Pelosi and Harmann. Harmann wanted "intel" and Pelosi was against that. Sorry, can't remember the reason now. Probably this is it.
Reyes got the position.

zot23

Col Lang,

Thank you for posting this, it adds considerable depth of understanding to the situation.

Best...

Curious

Ok. now it's an all out media war. Things are shooting from all direction.

1.The Harman/aipac case. I think this shake the House. Pelosi made statment. Steny is worried. Harman is fending herself in the public. Harman doesn't look good.

2. The torture case. Anything related to this so far is ex-Bush administration. Obama better makes sure CIA is on his side. This is when charisma and leadership count. Brewing harder, but looks more than manageable.

3. Mini manufactured storm. (China is getting us. This is standard neocon song. Murdoch/Wallstreet reinforce that fact. What is with neocon and trying to pick a fight with chinese? It happens since wen ho lee/nuke-rumsfeld/spy plane, and now bogus story about Tibet, chinese hacker in electric grid, F-35 etc)

4. AP is trying to build "Iran hostage" narrative. (with regard to Saberi)

incidentally, the press now feel very secure and know they are not being spied on. Hence the leak-palooza. Could never happen under Bush administration.

MRW.

How many kids are languishing in jail in California with their Three Strikes You're Out law for smoking joints when this California Congresswoman is getting a pass for something called "a completed crime?"

Rider

What those two newspapers do not tell you is that in federal conspiracy law, the agreement to commit an offense is the crime, and it does not matter if the offense that is the object of the conspiracy ever happens.

As the case of Mr. Blagojevich also reminded us recently.

Babak Makkinejad

All:

"I am shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here! ..."


You guys seem to forget that the higher echelons of the US Democratic Party and the Israeli Labour Party were for decades quite chummy with each other.

What else would you expect after years of this sort of mutual love and admiration?

The comments to this entry are closed.

My Photo

February 2020

Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat
            1
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
Blog powered by Typepad