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01 December 2008

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rick

How about instead of the word "You", I suggest the word "We" or in this case "Us", as in we the people of the United States, in whose name all of this was done.

jonj

The Brits were right when they reported that 'The facts are being fixed around the policies' or some such.

Bush might be forgiven the poor intelligence, except it was his team that insisted that the accurate intelligence be suppressed, and that known garbage be recycled, and washed until it could be presented as cold facts. Maybe he really didn't know better. But he put together the team that did the dirty work, looked away when it counted, and then pushed for all they were worth until they could get the invasion they wanted.

Which is worse: not knowing; or willfully being part of a monstrous deception? Either way he loses.

I hope his Dad is proud of this capstone to the family legacy. In the future, they will be spoken of as one does with the Borgias. Except with less expertise, accomplishment and finesse.

Jackie Shaw

I knew the whole thing was hooey from the git-go. My brother and I laughed about the sheeple. I don't watch FAUX News and was trying to find different sources of news at the time of the propaganda being catapulted.
When I think back on how hard Bush was pushing for war on Iraq, I find his Gibson interview baloney.

Cieran

There are still millions of sheople who think that there really were nuclear weapons (the only things that mattered) in Iraq.

And one other uniting factor among those millions is that none of them has any idea what technologies are required to create a functioning nuclear weapons program, so their clueless collective belief in the presence of WMD is matched by an equally widespread cluelessness about the entire subject. Thus they have no idea how wrong they are.

Unfortunately, those who did know for certain that the weak evidence for an Iraqi WMD program was indeed weak were prohibited by law from acting as good citizens and informing the general public of their knowledge. So the GOP electoral base stayed stupid about these important topics, and they haven't budged since.

One problem is that secrecy laws involving nuclear WMD are incredibly stringent (especially since so-called reforms were passed after the Wen Ho Lee debacle), with draconian penalties for revealing relevant technical information of any kind. So those NNSA experts who knew that (for example) the infamous "aluminum tubes" were not part of an advanced centrifuge design were prohibited by law from letting anyone else know of their findings.

In short, those experts had to choose between their lives (literally and figuratively) and their duties as citizens, which is one heck of a choice to force on a federal servant.

The leadership team of the Bush administration knew darned well that there were no nuclear weapons in Iraq, because their best-qualified experts told them that in no uncertain terms. So then Bush, et. al. found less-qualified experts who told them what they wanted to hear, and the rest is unfortunate history.

Thanks for this post, Colonel. You're exactly right.

William R. Cumming

How do you explain that so few Senators voting for the war failed to even read the flaky Intel report on Iraq? This includes Hillary Clinton so I understand! What else kept them from their rounds--oh--I guess fund raising. Better to live and fight another day?

zanzibar

I was shocked too when I read about this interview. I believed that "steely" Mr. War President would not flinch. Revisionism will now run at full speed. How long before we have Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Rummy et al claim that they actually opposed the invasion but they were forced to act post 9/11 due to the intel they received?

Will there be any demands we get to the bottom of the decision making that led to the debacle? No. It will all be swept under the rug so that the next "errors" of judgment can be made with impunity.

Buzz Meeks

The folks you are asking don't partake here.

Col, you need to figure out how to get a mass audience and by looking at the Obomba "Change you can Believe In" appointments, it prolly won't make a helluva lot of difference in who you talk to.

Buzz Meeks

Serving Patriot

COL,

The scales will NEVER fall from the eyes of the true believers.

This does not mean that full and complete accounting, and the attendant accountability, should not be obtained. As Cieran points out, there were many, many, many dedicated public servants deceived and muzzled by this crew of criminals.

Truth and reconciliation? I simply want truth and RECOMPENSE. Jail time would do nicely as a repayment.

Much mayhem has been done in our collective name. I think we deserve the chance to clear it.

SP

Mike Martin, Yorktown, VA

And I read where W'm. Kristol is recommending awards up to and including the Medal of Freedom to some of the people who made the war, eavesdropping, torture, etc, happen.

Homer

"For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue - weapons of mass destruction - because it was the one reason everyone could agree on." Paul Wolfowitz, Vanity Fair, May 2003

Stormcrow

Well, you have hit square upon the chief reason I will never willingly go back to teaching.

Cieran, the sheeple didn't need in-depth technical information to figure out they were being conned. Hell, they'd already lived through the "enlightenment" themselves, most of them.

We looked down a real nuclear shotgun, loaded with tens of thousands of deliverable and tested nuclear weapons, for 40 years. Not only did we end those 40 years undestroyed, but the other side fell to pieces.

And we were supposed to hide under our beds because Iraq might have had the odd first-generation nuclear weapon, without any practical means of delivery?

Well, yeah. That was precisely what we were supposed to do. Judging from the results, tens of millions of us did so. And are still doing so. If the continuing hysteria about Iran and North Korea is any indication.

bstr

Dear sir, at this very instant there are functionaries planning for the election of Gov.Palin to the White House in 2012. And here is the hard part, they believe they are doing the right thing for the Republic.

Redhand
among his regrets was that "the intelligence had not been better on WMD in Iraq."
As with so many things George W. Bush, the thought is half-formed, leaving one to gasp at the implications.

I agree that this is a window dressing excuse for a colossal failure of judgment and prudence, but Bush can't bring himself to the logical conclusion from his "regrets": that the war was a huge mistake. Instead, we are treated to the spectacle of Bush mourning the fact that his reckless bet did not pay off, and the dross that he "liberated millions."

Much better to mourn the ten of thousands dead or horrible maimed in a trumped-up war of choice that has only harmed rather than advanced American interests.

Will

A secular robust (quasi-Protestant reformation?) Irak had to die to make it safe for Israeli settlements to continue in the West Bank and at the time Gaza.

This is what neocon Wolfwitz means by there were "many reasons" b/ WMD was the easiest to sell. Fellow neocon traveler Zelikow (sp?) the executive director of the 9.11 commission says about the same thing.

Now Olmert, the lameduck Israeli PM, finally acknowledges that hanging on to the West Bank and all of Jerusalem will spell the demise of a Jewish Israel. When the Palestinian demographic bomb goes off, the world will be faced w/ another South Africa situation in Palestine. A Gaza which is a giant steel cage w/ Gazans imprisoned inside & Bantustans in the West Bank. Enclaves of poor Palestinians surrounded by fat cat settlers with their own roads and infrastructure.

When Israel-Palestine devolves from an issue of Israel Security to one of human rights and one person one vote per South Africa then the emergence of a binational majority Palestinian state will become inevitable.

The only other alternative would be ethnic cleansing and expulsion.


Cieran

Stormcrow:

You have it exactly right. The sheep are terrified of the possibility of small numbers of hard-to-deliver nuclear weapons, while conveniently forgetting that there are thousands of thermonuclear weapons out there now sitting on very-functional ballistic missiles.

But while the Soviet Union fell apart, Russian WMD programs didn't, so while we can stop worrying about Iraqi WMD, we ought to start thinking more clearly about needlessly offending the Russians. Their weapons are an infinitely larger threat to us, and there's really no good reason for anybody to be restarting the cold war.

jasmine

The place where intelligence was most greviously lacking was the space between his ears.

Sorry for that outburst.

jasmine

wildethyme

Jasmine: :) Succinct. Dead on. Not a problem, with BO, I think.

JohnH

As someone who proudly carried a sign in Feb. 2003 that read, "Bigger Liar: Bush or Saddam?" I have always been dismayed by the jingoist wave that sweeps the country everytime the dear leader stamps his feet against some trumped up threat.

Bush's claim that he was "not prepared for war" got me the most. In fact, war with Iraq was one of his top priorities from his first day in office. More BS from the man whose primary mode of communiation is BS.

Shadowgm

Back in 2003, when the Bush Administration was making their case for Iraq and citing Saddam's imaginary nukes, I frequently pointed out that Pakistan already had testable, deployable nukes, and that we should maintain our focus on that region.

Well, gosh, here we are five years later, Iraq looks like something we stepped in and tracked all over Mom's white carpet, and Pakistan is the next big front in the War on Terror.

What. A. Surprise.

Fred

Family legacy?
From the interview:
"this administration will do everything we can to safeguard the financial system" except provide oversight during the preceeding eight years.

"You know, I'm the President during this period of time, but I think when the history of this period is written, people will realize a lot of the decisions that were made on Wall Street took place over a decade or so, before I arrived in President, during I arrived in President. "

It's not my fault, Bill Clinton did it!

"I called President-Elect Obama with the Citigroup decision. I wanted him to know what we were doing. And he was very appreciative of the phone call."
President elect Obama has no legal authority to make executive decisions. This is foreshodowing of campaigns to come where it is not the conservatives fault, 'we told Obama'.

hope4usa

Somewhere between 28-34% of the electorate still believes that Saddam was behind 9/11. How could this be in the information age? How could so many still believe that there were WMD's in Iraq?

Corporate owned Media with their own agenda.

Ralph H.

That the DOE Intelligence Office failed to push harder against Langley and the infamous Mr. T. on the aluminum tubes issue will remain a black mark on its record -- a sad contrast to State/INR, who did push back in spite of having much less technical expertise upon which to draw.

But the real regret I have is not so much the wrong call on WMDs -- most of us in the IC thought it likely that Iraq had some chemical weapon stocks and some half-baked R&D programs -- but the collective unwillingness to challenge the administration on the linkage of those mythical WMDs with a clear and present threat to the US and its Mideast partners. Iraq was militarily contained, inspections were in progress, why the sudden urgency to invade?

What's that old joke about why does a dog lick its balls?

fnord

Its a shame that mrs. Clinton seems to not want to make any serious investigations into the rampant corruption and torture during the last 8 years. The Sassamans of the universe should be purged.

spacetrucker

"Mr.Bush....a Mr.Hans Blix is on line two and he sounds angry"

Ron

So what happened to the self-serving leaders in the intelligence community?
Many are still drinking out of the Federal trough,
others are standing in line to join the new government. Until accountability returns to our society I have little hope.

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