Download afghanistan_colonialism_or_counterinsurgency.doc "These converts to the new US doctrine of "modern counterinsurgency" are reading Victorian era guidebooks, consulting "battlefield anthropologists" (aka Human Terrain Specialists !), and striving to achieve the "developmental asymptote". What they seem to ignore is that the Afghans (really the Pakhtuns) have been dealing with invaders for thousands of years. They ambush and kill them when they can; they make nice and take their money when they must; then turn around and slit their throats when they can again. What they never do is adopt the "civilization" of the invaders, or accept them as masters. The British ruled (and partly anglicized) the variegated peoples of India, but they failed to overcome the Pakhtuns (in Afghanistan and India's borderlands). That is why they left them alone, and paid good tribute to ensure reciprocal treatment. The French commander said it best about using counterinsurgency : It means the entire population become the subject of your war, and you either will have to stay there forever or you have lost. Some US officers in Afghanistan (and, probably, Iraq, too) seem to be quite prepared to stay there forever. Instead of reading Victorian guidebooks, perhaps they should read the newspapers from back home." Brigadier (Ret.) Farrukh B Ali" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Our friend FB Ali has given us this article from the Toronto Globe and Mail. In spite of its formulaic Yankee bashing there are things in the piece that are "food for thought." pl
A cover article in the Feb NYT Magazine also visited the Kornegal Valley. It's a bit more extensive, both on the social terrain and the conditions for US fighters.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/24/magazine/24afghanistan-t.html
I'm still waiting for some knowledgeable observer to provide an analysis of how the beans, bullets and barrels get into landlocked Afghanistan. Even COIN requires secure logistics.
Ever heard of the Kohat Tunnel?
Posted by: John Howley | 02 June 2008 at 11:25 AM
Two recent pieces from Der Spiegel people might be interested in:
Why NATO Troops Can't Deliver Peace in Afghanistan
An interview with Karzai: 'I Wish I Had the Taliban as My Soldiers'
Posted by: b | 02 June 2008 at 12:00 PM
I read somewhere this maorning that our senior General in country pointed out that by COIN Doctrine, including their army such as it is, we're still something like 287,000 troops short.
What the hell do we expect?
Posted by: frank durkee | 02 June 2008 at 01:28 PM
In reality, the value/cost of becoming the colonial ruler of Pakthun lands was not high enough.
And as to "What they never do is adopt the "civilization" of the invaders, or accept them as masters." - just what are the sources of the civilization there then?
Posted by: Arun | 02 June 2008 at 01:58 PM
As to the undefeatability of the Pakthuns, Afghans, etc. - they do pretty well conquering each other.
Posted by: Arun | 02 June 2008 at 02:00 PM
The Pashtuns have defeated Alexander, the Mongols, the Soviets and apparently now the Americans because Pashtun tribal codes/honor demands continual war until the enemies leave the tribal areas.
Form the little I have read on Pakistan, Pashtuns have also driven away from the tribal ares the mighty Punjabi Army.
Would adding 250,ooo-plus troops really be the answer or only add more fuel to the tribal requirements for Jihad (resistance)?
In Iraq, the tribes turn in our favor, can we really expect the Pashtuns to do the same?
Posted by: Jose | 02 June 2008 at 02:37 PM
In thinking about the Pukhtun/Pushtun, I would echo in spades Pat's earlier post, "They do not want to be like us." For some interesting ethnography, look at Charles Lindholm, Generosity and Jealousy; F. Barth, Political Leadership among the Swat Pathans (both dealing with Swat, but with Pushtuns); Schuyler Jones, Men of Influence in Nuristan; and Akbar Ahmed, Social and economic change in the Tribal Areas. Pay particular attention to the discussions of Pukhtunwali. Jacob Black-Michaud's Feuding Society is also worth a read.
Posted by: Dan Bradburd | 02 June 2008 at 03:25 PM
I have often heard people quote the history of Afghanistan vis-a-vis the repelling of invaders and talk of current invaders doing so without learning from history.
Its not that each Army has gone in not knowing that those before it had been defeated. The Soviets knew the beating the Brits got much like the Brits knew the beating the Mongols got.
The difference is that each time the leaders of the invasion think they can do it better, smarter and with more force.
And this administration thinks it is better, smarter and stronger than anyone on the planet.
Posted by: mo | 02 June 2008 at 04:38 PM
To get a good idea of Afganistan's history and geography, I refer you to James Michners 1963 novel "Caravans". Its an easy read and should be available at any public library.
Posted by: Richard Whitman | 02 June 2008 at 06:14 PM
When boys of 12 or less are given their first knives and guns in the states they usually look for easy prey of the four footed variety. In Afghanistan the prey is the outsider of family, tribe, whatever. No need for 2nd amendment rights in Afghanistan. A system perfected over thousands of years to promote the warrior spirit. Try reforming a defeated Japan after WWII with the assets in Afghanistan where no one is sure of its human population, paved roads are few, and water is scarce. A huge country geographically.
Posted by: William R. Cumming | 02 June 2008 at 08:22 PM
An enthusiast described the Flashman novels thusly: "There are volumes in this series that cannot be read without laughing out loud." One wonders if the same will be said of the memoirs penned by the various actors in our own "Great Game" to justify their own blamelessness. Can they ALL have been surrounded by idiots?
Posted by: Montag | 03 June 2008 at 01:28 AM
This passage reminds me of the passage in Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations where he states that it could be possible to grow wines in Scotland by using intensive greenhouse techniques and other contrived methods, but such efforts would yield poor wine and at far greater costs than simply importing from France.
Of course, Scotland, while being poor soil for viniculture, nevertheless produces fine malt whiskeys.
It seems to me that - rather than turning Afghanistan into a wine greenhouse, so to speak - we ought instead to be looking for the fine whiskeys to be found there.
And, who knows, should we thereby succeed, we might actually want - and feel privileged - to be able to remain there - even if as guests rather than as landlords - 60 years from now.
Posted by: Duncan Kinder | 03 June 2008 at 10:55 AM
One problem with afghanistan/pakistan border:
It's the most hostile war terrain in the planet. Pure rugged high mountain. (second highest peak in that battle zone.)
no radar, no plane, limited radio, no tank, no car ... nothing. No fancy gear. It's pure gun on foot battle.
Nothing changes since the soviet invasion in the 80's
Posted by: Curious | 03 June 2008 at 11:12 AM
" we're still in Germany and Japan 60 years after that war ended." What kind of thinking is this? Both countries surrendered and there was no 60 year long guerrilla war. Guess the 2004 campaign talking points go along with power point thinking. I've read the book Major Berdy is reading, Queen Victoria's Little Wars (Byron Farwell, 1972). I forget which British until was wiped out, but it would do well to ask just why only one man returned from Jalalabad from his regiment in one of those 'little' wars.
"We're trying to raise the opportunity cost of picking up a weapon or growing poppy" What is the 'opportunity cost' of losing one's soul?
Posted by: Fred | 03 June 2008 at 12:15 PM
I'm traveling and don't have time for an extended comment, but wanted to make a few points about the article.
To begin with, I think Mr. Saunders makes a mistake many in the press do, which is to extrapolate from the specifics of one situation and one small region of Afghanistan and paint generalities about the entire "nation" that I don't believe are accurate. Afghanistan is very diverse and US and NATO operations and objectives differ from area to area. I don't pretend to have much depth of understanding of the tribal, religious and ethnic relationships and complexities in and among Afghans, particularly at the district and local level. However, I do understand that those complexities exist and their reduction into tidy categories by the media tends to reduce overall understanding and perpetuate myths like the homogeneity of Pashtuns that lead to banal and simplistic analysis of things like Pashtunwali.
Secondly, the tribal system in the area of Kunar province referred to in the article, along with other areas of eastern Afghanistan, has undergone significant change since 1979. Specifically, traditional tribal loyalties have been weakened in many areas as a result of decades of conflict and the influence of foreign fighters, money and other factors. Significant population displacement and the education of many male children in foreign-supported Pakistani madrassas has produced a male cohort where traditional tribal loyalties are weakened in some cases and broken in others. Part of the US strategy in Kunar and elsewhere, as indicated by officers quoted in the article, is the strengthening of the traditional tribal system as a bulwark. In other areas tribal loyalties are still strong and different approaches are utilized. What's important is that strategy is local and based on local conditions - or at least that's the ideal. Although I'm not sold on the HTS concept, the human terrain teams are designed to help provide commanders local knowledge so that local solutions can be intelligently attempted. At least that is my understanding - I have not been in Afghanistan since 2005, so my specific knowledge of operations, strategies and the changing environment is pretty limited.
Finally, I disagree with the idea the US has colonial intentions in Afghanistan. For that to be true, the US must have some enduring beneficial interest beyond preventing the recreation of AQ's safe-haven. There doesn't seem to be much there for the US to exploit as a colonial power in terms of resources or as a pawn in some kind of 21st century version of the great game.
Posted by: Andy | 03 June 2008 at 06:00 PM
Uh, base on the boarder with China and Russia
Posted by: char | 04 June 2008 at 08:03 AM
"Finally, I disagree with the idea the US has colonial intentions in Afghanistan. For that to be true, the US must have some enduring beneficial interest beyond preventing the recreation of AQ's safe-haven. There doesn't seem to be much there for the US to exploit as a colonial power in terms of resources or as a pawn in some kind of 21st century version of the great game.
Posted by: Andy "
Also pipeline route from the Caspian region to the sea, bypassing Iran. US oil interests heavily invested in acquiring Caspian basin oil. Not to mention the reason posted by Char as well. Lets us put the squeeze on Iran by having them face two fronts of possible attack.
Posted by: Dana Jones | 04 June 2008 at 10:41 AM
Last year, a Chinese company paid $3 billion for a lease on one of the world's largest copper deposits in the Aynak Valley.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article3941656.ece
Posted by: John Howley | 04 June 2008 at 11:29 AM
Here's a marvelous article on designing a war simulation game for such complicated conflicts which is as sarcastic as it is true. It's on a humor site of all things.
http://www.cracked.com/article_15660_ultimate-war-simulation-game.html
Posted by: Montag | 05 June 2008 at 03:43 AM
Char,
On the border with Russia? Russia is 1500 miles from Bagram. What is there in western China that necessitates a forward military base?
Dana,
Afghanistan it a landlocked country. Any caspian project would need to go through Turkmenistan and Pakistan to get anywhere. It's been seven years, why no construction yet, much less a contract?
Posted by: Andy | 05 June 2008 at 10:28 PM
Don’t have enough info to make even a guess re: colonialism or counterinsurgency in Afghanistan. However, FB Ali’s insights make complete sense to me.
And Ahmed Rashid’s (pre 9.11) book “The Taliban” has an entire section devoted to the “The Great Game.” If memory serves me correctly, it focuses on the proposed construction of the Afghanistan oil pipeline.
http://tinyurl.com/5gar46
One quote in the Toronto Globe article linked at sst piqued my interest. Here’s the quote: "Our goal," one officer tells me, "is to rebuild the government and society from the ground up in our model."
Our model? I don’t know what the officer means, but defining “our model” would have been one of my inquiries.
I would have been more impressed if he has said “their model” or “the Model desired by the Afghans” Something along those lines.
To use Sherman Kent’s terms -- the quote may add further proof that the functionalists have overtaken the regionalists in US foreign policy. In other words, the driving force here -- articulated as “our model” -- is the neoconservative idea of imposing Western democracy on the rest of the World, by force if necessary. Such is very consistent with the intent of the Shulsky and Schmitt paper, as it aims to disconnect intel from reality.
Alternatively, even if “our model” refers to a regionalist approach, then I believe FB Ali’s insights reign supreme, as he states: “they make nice and take their money when they must; then turn around and slit their throats when they can again. What they never do is adopt the "civilization" of the invaders, or accept them as masters.”
Posted by: Sidney O. Smith III | 06 June 2008 at 09:02 AM
"Finally, I disagree with the idea the US has colonial intentions in Afghanistan. For that to be true, the US must have some enduring beneficial interest beyond preventing the recreation of AQ's safe-haven. There doesn't seem to be much there for the US to exploit as a colonial power in terms of resources or as a pawn in some kind of 21st century version of the great game.
Posted by: Andy "
There's also the tar pit principle, where a foriegn power, pretending to be an ally, induces us into entrapping ourselves in a conflict in which we have little legitimate interest because they really don't like us and our founding principles and would like to see them wiped from the face of the earth. Naturally, we have to have a national leadership that can be dupped in such a manner.
Posted by: CJ | 06 June 2008 at 03:04 PM