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10 October 2007

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Sydney Freedberg

The Army has done an appalling job of explaining FCS. Ignore the overhyped high-tech: In fact, many elements of an FCS brigade would be HEAVIER and better armored than their counterparts in a current force heavy mech brigade. The FCS vehicles are now 30 tons, so the Bradleys are replaced with something of equivalent weight but with hybrid-electric drive and a 50% larger squad in the back; the M113 variants and M109s are replaced with something considerably more survivable; and the only element of the force that is actually replaced by something lighter under FCS is the M1 Abrams -- except that the Army plans to keep units of M1s around until 2030 at least.

My article on this subject is available at http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/092006nj1.htm.

W. Patrick Lang

Sydney

If only it were tomorrow that the Army would have FCS rather than at some distant future date. But, alas, that stuff is WAY down the road.

Until then, we will have a lot of warmed over 4th generation dogma and whatever equipment that can be saved from the wreckage of the present.

Get my point now? pl

Publius

I actually worked a lot on some of the emerging—and highly classified—technologies that are key to FCS. Sydney Freedberg is correct in that the current scheme involves much heavier vehicles than was the case ten years ago. Probably because even Army generals can finally understand that the laws of physics are immutable. But still there is the problem of the tank, regarding which the answer still seems to involve Star Trek in some fashion.

Mr. Freedberg is also correct about the Army's poor job of explaining FCS. This may be attributable to briefers' attempting to stifle giggles about what has been, unfortunately way too much of a Rube Goldbergish-scheme for the "premier" Army on the planet.

IMO, COL Lang is correct in his assessment of the issues involved should the Army and national policy makers buy into the whole 4GW canard and make irrevocable decisions about the shape of the ground forces. Modernization of heavier military vehicles is needed. But one truly must wonder whether the same Army that's come up with armored jeeps and a multi-billion dollar effort to combat IEDs in lieu of beefing up human intelligence is the right Army to pull FCS off. One also wonders what FCS will ultimately cost and whether the Chinese have enough money to pay for it.

Lang, you and I are of the same generation. I, too, worry considerably about the sociological makeup of today's Army. They call 'em "warriors," yet they expect them to act like 9-5 office workers. You were undoubtedly better behaved than I was, but the reality is that the military is a tough and often bizarre occupation; expecting soldiers to act as if they are in middle-class America kind of belies the history of armies. Or any other occupation that spends a lot of time away from home doing strange things.

I don't know. Maybe we're wrong. Maybe one can successfully put together an career expeditionary military of guys who in another life would be working in some insurance company somewhere. Or maybe it's cognitive dissonance on the part of the leadership. Time will tell. I do know I wouldn't want to be in this Army. The one I was in was way too much fun.

Robert C

The CoS thinks "20 years of conflict are anticipated by the army", a rather self-serving statement. Who will start these conflicts? Perhaps the USA? Will they be as "necessary" as was invading Iraq? How many LTs and Capts are chomping at the bit to make there name in a new conflict? How much of this "20 years" of conflict will truly serve US vital interests, as opposed to the interest of the Pentagon/Military-industrial complex? Welcome to a military state.

W. Patrick Lang

publius

On occasion I was as badly behaved as they should be. pl

spanielboy

In regards to the National Guard and Reserves in the mix, what has really changed in the last few years by the policy makers to continue to be used as operational units instead of strategic reserves? The other facet not mentioned is the continuing use of privatized companies to support the various missions – need men to do things that the military is already too stretched to do on its own.

As for the breakdown in the ‘middle class’ portion of the US military, it is just a cause and effect of the cavalier attitudes by the politicians, policy makers, media pundits, and senior military leaders. The decision to go into Iraq was just too flippant to what had to be done to meet the goals – unless the goal was to not make the hard decisions and trust ‘hope’ and ‘luck’ would come to our rescue. Those who Dr. Bacevich labels as the pro-military group to set foreign policy seem to be doing much more harm than good – send the boys out but not without the support to do the mission correctly (instead we play ‘whack-a-mole’ because a lack of resources and private companies are running through the battle space without supervision and observation). To top it off, an approximate 95% of the nation doesn’t know, understand, care, or grasp to what is required to do the job – it is far easier to go to the mall and watch teevee instead.

It seems the US Army has met its recruiting goals again – no doubt there are fine and outstanding persons in that group. There are questions to whether as a whole they measure up to the standards of the AVF before the insurgency conflicts in the Middle East. There are those who find the negatives to re-install the draft outweigh the positives, but one must ask if the current course of large bonuses and slipping standards really helping?

Cold War Zoomie

It must be boring being a 1st Shirt nowadays. Who is there left to punish?

josephdietrich

On the last point, I'm not quite clear on what the Chief of Staff means by this. If he is saying that we are going to throw the home guard and the reserves into the operations as a matter of course, then it seems to me that there is something wrong with our policy and strategy. That, or these forces are poorly named.

Steve

In the past 30 or so years, American society itself has become more pious/puritanical in many ways, so it shouldn't be too surprising that the Army reflects that as well.

Jose

IMHO, FCS is an expensive overkill for the GWOT.

If the neocons want an empire, go back to the 16-18 division Army and put enough troops on the ground to surge throughout Iraq not just the Sunni areas.

As for the middle class values and standards, has anyone in here serve in Korea or Germany?..lol

Abu Sinan

Cold War,

Having worked hand in hand with the US military in the last decade I can tell you there are still a lot of people to punish.

Granted, in my time with the DoD I worked mostly with the AF, but in my last three years abroad we had airmen prosecuted for child pornography, adultery, rape, drunken driving, theft, AWOL and almost everything else one can think of.

Those are just the people I knew about and was aware of, and this being airmen, often accused of being much less "warrior like" and much more 9-5 button pressing office types.

I saw what deployments did to families then, and that was pre-9/11. I can only imagine what it does now. Divorce rates were high then, I am sure they are through the roof now.

Maybe "what goes TDY, stays TDY" gets the soldiers and marines in less trouble in Iraq because there are not the local women available to get into trouble with, just their female co-workers, and there has been a spike in sexual assaults for women on deployment.

Brian Hart

How many recruiting posters are needed to offset the sorry treatment of the Minnesota National Guard last week?

As to FCS, how many resources - time, money, manpower - can be diverted from reality with this program? A program perfectly designed by lobbyists, by big contractors pocketing $20 billion assigned to it and by retiring generals. It does little or nothing for basic infantrymen who needed body armor, retrofit armor, armored vehicles, tourniquets, blood clotting agents and enough freaking bullets to sustain an offensive. These simple, dirty prosaic items lack the glory and profits necessary for a successful defense program like FCS.

So while we prepare to win a fantasy war in the next decade against a fictional enemy, we go about losing the war we are in. Reality bites, but if you don't give a damned you can just ignore it - unless your an infantryman in Iraq or Afghanistan.

I would suggest a more effective strategy for planning technology spirals would require that items: 1. Cost less than existing items in mass production. 2. Perform better and 3. Be available in under 2 years. Some might say this is fantasy, but it works quite well - its why soldiers use hand radios they buy at Walmart from Motorola instead of FCS shit. Its why UAVs fly meaningful missions and Ospreys don't. Its why WWI produced a revolution in aircraft and why WWII produced massive improvements in quality and quantities of aircraft, radios, electronics, tanks, etc....

Programs that take longer than WWII to fight should be immediately suspect.

W. Patrick Lang

All

Don't confuse present requirements with the long term neccessity of force planning and creation for the geo-strategic situation of the United States for the remainder of the century. Both present reality and long term needs must be met.

As for people's behavior on TDY and punishments for that, your view of these malefactions as serious is a sign of the age. Rape, murder, child molestation are real crimes. Boozing, chasing skirts, adultery, etc., are not in the same league and as Publius and I both know were formerly not thought of as major impediments to service if they did not interfere with performance of duty.

Is that so now? pl

Jose

I posted about increasing the size of the Army but found this article that changed my mind:

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/05/army_officer_incentives_070509w/

So there is no way to increasing the Army because of shortages in even the officer ranks.

What a mess.

Marines Generals are smart to request Afghanistan (popular war) and getting out of Iraq (unpopular war).

Cold War Zoomie

Abu-

I was jokingly referring more to the lighter offenses like getting thrown into the drunk tank at the local lockup. I'm still doing the DOD "thang" and the stories from both Army and AF guys is that the Holy Rollers have changed everything. It's just anecdotal from a few folks, but sounds like the days of closing the club at 1:45, stumbling back to the barracks, passing out around 3am after a few more nightcaps, and dragging ass "up the hill" at 6:30 are over.

This reminds me of one Tech Sergeant who got completely blotto at the Rod & Gun club every Friday afternoon and early evening. He was riding his bike everywhere ever since he had decided to park his car in a 6 foot deep ditch one evening off post (in the UK) where the local police confirmed that he had had a wee bit too much to drink. After a few hours of libations, he'd call the Blue Light Taxi Service and the SPs would drive him back to his base housing. That was the base commander's policy - call the SPs if you were too drunk to get home! Granted, that was on a very small base but I just cannot believe that would be allowed nowadays.

Back then, about the only way to get a drunk on station charge was to pass out in the middle of a street between the club and the barracks. Or crawling on your hands and knees in view of the SPs.

If the AF was like that back in my day, the Army posts must have been bedlam on the weekends.

Cold War Zoomie

On a more serious note, the FCS scares the crap out of me. It requires soldiers to rely on a very complex suite of technologies that have a lot of "moving parts." As a networking person, the use of "ad-hoc" networking where these machines and soldiers roam in and out of networks seems like a disaster waiting to happen.

Here's an example of what happens when we rely on technology too much. Last week I used GPS for the first time while driving. Rather than paying attention to where I was actually going, mentally marking direction and street names, I just allowed the machine to do it for me. Road construction in the area forced the system to keep recalculating my route every time I hit a blocked road. Many times it would try to turn me back around to exactly where the problem was. I had to force it to stop me from going in circles.

The KISS principle appears to be dead and gone with FCS.

VietnamVet

Colonel,

You can deep six this comment as economic determinism but the Army, best portrayed by John Ford in "Fort Apache", was built of blue collar families, adventures, a few misfits, far too many martinet officers and never enough Colonel Langs.

Today's Army is no doubt different than the blue collar middle class outfit I observed of almost 40 years ago that was trying to deal with alienated draftees and a never ending war. Since then the working class in the USA has taken it on the chin and from an outsider's perspective has turned reactionary and religious at the same time.

In every war there are Profiteers crawling around making money off of death and corruption. Iraq is the first American war where contractors outnumber the troops. Adventurers are now hiring themselves out to million dollar CEO War Profiteers. The Suckers signed up to drive trucks out of Kuwait. All enabled by the White House & Congress. All on the taxpayer's dollar.

The future of the USA and the Army will be played out in the next decades to determine if the State can regain control of its war making organizations or if the USA reverts to the Medieval Mad Max world of private armies.

Cold War Zoomie

Col Lang's post actually covers quite a lot of topics. My last thought concerns the NG and Reserves.

Return these guys to their roots as reserve forces. If we need more troops, then increase the size of the active duty forces. Better yet, restart that draft. That way, any civilian bozo who wants to play Churchill will have to convince *everyone* to sacrifice. No exceptions.

Yes, I've heard the arguments that an all-volunteer force is better. Of course, we had a draft during WWII and won it. Maybe the real problem with an Army full of draftees only becomes apparent when they are expected to fight unnecessary wars.

Steve

Colonel,

I take it you don't care much for William S. Lind.
I will say that WSL comes off as rather pompus in his writings. Maybe this is why the Quantico 4th GW crowd likes him so much.

rebel07

IMHO, whether or not we should reinstate the draft is not the issue. The issue is whether or not we should still be in Iraq and Afghanistan. The draft worked in WWII because we had been attacked on our own soil and the country was prepared to defend itself. The wars of today are wars of choice, not necessary for our survival.

The US Armed Forces would have no problems with numbers if being in Iraq and Afghanistan were necessary for our survival. Americans would sign up in droves if they felt our survival was at stake. I think most people see these wars as unnecessary. Unless we are talking about keeping control of the oil flow. Which may be necessary for our survival but shouldn't the American people be the ones who decide such things, not idealogues behind the scenes pulling the puppet strings.

If we were not fighting in the ME, we wouldn't have to talk about a draft, but since it does not look as though we will be leaving anytime soon, then the topic must be addressed. Though our survival was not in jeopardy before we went in, now that we have been there, it may now be. The decision makers may have created our downfall where one did not exist in the first place.

Binh

I still don't understand the obsession with lighter, leaner, and "lethaler" that is associated with FCS and more broadly with what's known as the "Revolution In Military Affairs" that was heavily pushed by Rummy back when he was SecDef. It's my understanding that FCS was based on a lot of the ideas and doctrines of RIMA (correct me if I'm wrong).

I especially don't understand the anti-heavy armor bias. If you want to be a whole generation or two ahead of the Russians/Chinese/X-state then you'd better have weapons that can take the kind of punch they can pack today.

I would like to see what the Colonel thinks (no rush) about the above topics which are related somewhat to the substance of his post.

Also, weren't some of the ideas between the RIMA and FCS tested in the Millennium War games in 2002 when Paul Van Riper wiped the floor with the new doctrines?

China Hand

I do not think that the mores currently affecting the military are any more or less adverse in that environment than in the greater U.S. cultural space.

The wisest move would be to prepare both FCS and 4GW capabilities, but even then institutional reform is badly neede.

The U.S. is currently the big man on the block; any country that wants to dodge U.S. interests -- and in light of recent Neo-con policy, that would be virtually all of them - is going to need to prepare to defend against the U.S. military.

I think the only effective approach would be for the U.S. to re-evaluate its political and cultural strategies from the very foundations. In my opinion, the era of claiming U.S. interests are threatened by the daily business of distant states is over.

The only time the U.S. should be abroad is with wide, unambiguous international consent. While I don't think the U.S. should unconditionally hop to the demands of the UN I nevertheless believe that with its wealth and status there is no justification for military actions in support of merely economic objectives.

The military should be reconceived as a strictly defensive force (as in: the U.S. mainland). Defense is much easier, much cheaper, and utterly unobjectionable. Institute a draft. Stop sending the army out to defend corporate profits. If the oil starts to run out then for goodness' sake don't ship out muscle and bullets to procure more -- get that ol' ingenuity working.

We need more small businesses, more independent research, strict limits on the police ("homeland security"??!?!), better healthcare, fewer prisoners, more evenly-distributed wealth and a heavy pruning of our criminal and business laws.

Finally, I agree that our military leaders seem more like the CEO's of large corporations than anything else. But I also disagree: the military is not remarkable -- nor any more remarkably afflicted -- in that respect.

I would hope that retired military leaders would take a more active role in provoking a discussion of these issues. Hopefully they would be much less fearless about confronting the difficulties and encouraging creative solutions.

Current discussions -- such as I've seen -- seem to still center on the "world's policeman" model. That road, I am certain, will lead only to misery and shame.

Walrus

"The U.S. needs a new national military strategy, a strategy designed to enhance America’s role as the world’s engine of prosperity, making the American way of life attractive, not threatening, to others."

This quote from Col. Douglas MacGregor (Ret.)is in my opinion, the understatement of the decade.

FCS, by the way, reminds me of nothing more than my SCUBA diving equipment, designed to keep me totally and completely insulated from a hostile environment and supplied with the necessities of life (ie: Air).

How can one play "Hearts and Minds" counterinsurgency without getting out of your tank?

Can a remote sensor and a round from an over the horizon Cannon tell the difference between a shepherd boy and an insurgent?

To put it in ways that simple folk can understand, remember the first episode of Star Wars? Who got the sympathy vote? The storm troopers or the Jedi knights and rebels?

I'd put the money into education, new army boots and minimalist equipment that allowed me to walk and talk with the general population of war zones as if I was one of them.

Talking about democracy from inside a tank doesn't work.

DaveGood

I don't know where the figure of twenty billion for FCS came from but that has to be wrong.

The USA right now is spending 20 billion on buying up all the MRAP's it can, which by and large are nothing more then trucks built to a thirty year old South African design with armour bolted on, or variations thereof.

And apparently these MRAP's are NOT regarded as the replacement vehicle for the twenty year old Humvee, Incidentally.... the fully upgraded hummer now costs the USA Taxpayer around 200,000 dollars a pop, as compared to the 31,000 it cost in 2001.

So that's twenty billion spent on assets America intends to toss away as soon as the real Humvee replacement comes on line.)

I've heard the FCS described as 60 technologies bundled together only one of which has been proved to work.

Ignoring the economic arguement as too whether the USA has the wealth to actually fund The FCS... I'd point out the development of one vehicle alone has cost over twenty billion, taken twenty five years so far and killed thirty people working on it... and that's the Osprey.

DaveGood

Ryan

Colonel,

I distinctly remember that it was Richard Perle who said two armored brigades could take Iraq. I wish I still had the original source for this.

I also remember Paul Wolfowitz is said to have proposed that the 101st AB should vertically envelople Baghdad, prior to the war.

These worthies should congregate in Wolfie's old office and contemplate the painting "The Sunken Road" from Sharpsburg fame that Wolfie had over his desk.

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