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28 September 2007

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zenpundit

"Now, the Kurds may secretly want something else but they will be very careful how they express that secret desire."

It's not really all that secret.

Mad Dogs

Dude! You're firing on all cylinders with this post!

Seriously Pat, if there are any remaining Arab folks who still had a wee bit of respect for the US (for the serious and thoughtful US Arabists, not the clueless in power now), they've got to be shaking their heads with permanent resignation: "The US Senate is composed entirely of escapees from a mental institution."

As for the stunned folks "living" in what used to be called Iraq, they've got to be wondering just what deity they've offended so frightfully to be the recipients first of the curse of Saddam's rule, and now the curse of no Saddam's rule.

A mentally deranged hegemonic Superpower is running amok in the world.

Out of control, and apparently both blind and deaf, for no one else's pleas can ever be heard, the giant persists in stumbling hither and yon with no particular place to go.

The view out every American's front window, circa September 2007.

Montag

Reminds me of the Roman Emperor who named his chickens after political enemies. He would periodically behead the namesake of one nemesis or the other out of pique. Which didn't harm the man who'd offended him one whit. Still, it made the Emperor feel better, didn't it?

PR

"Resistance is futile". Good one Colonel.

Edward Merkle

The "Mayberry Machiavellians", great stuff Pat.

Those Arabs are a pesky crowd. A reason to study different cultures might be to predict their reactions to certain "stimuli." If you're ignorant of a culture and need to make decisions, like the decider, then it may be a good idea to consult with people who know the culture and of course people that don't have a vested interest in the decision.

But Christ, stop me from blabbering, I'm talking about our leader who has a direct line to you Lord and knows evil when he sees it.

God save the decider.

PeterE

I think elite opinion in the U.S. assumes that the U.S. is a colonial power in the Middle East. Therefore, if the U.S. Senate wants partition, elite opinion thinks that Iraq should agree.

If only the U.S. had a Generalissimo Chiang Kai Shek in Iraq-- we'd have a noisy Iraq Lobby defending the dear General, demonizing anyone who talked about the corruption and incompetence of the Iraqi Kuomintang, standng tall against anyone who could actually minimize (or avert?) the impending disaster.

Winston_Smith

I guess they (the indigenous people) will have to let themselves be assimilated. How dare they not! with all the futility going around. :)

China Hand

I remember back in late 2003 -- just before Negroponte's appointment to Iraq -- there was talk about putting into effect the "Salvador Solution". Soon, Negroponte was appointed and then shortly thereafter moved to his current position as DNI.

All this is covered in Wikipedia, along with a brief summary of his service in Honduras: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Negroponte#Ambassador_to_Honduras_.281981_-_1985.29

The events in Iraq since 2004 are consistent with the enactment of such a policy, and bolstered by reports of Blackwater mercenaries who are engaged in weapons trafficking clearly outside the boundaries of US Military chain of command.

Does the Colonel -- or anyone else here -- have any insight into the processes at work beneath the public awareness? My own opinion of John Negroponte is that he is merely one more Iran-Contra criminal who got off too lightly, and entirely capable of putting such policies into effect. Perhaps I am wrong in this estimation, but it is a considered and studied opinion.

I would suspect that each time Nuri al Maliki voices such contrarian political opposition in such strident terms that he moves one large step closer towards assassination. Should that happen, I doubt seriously that anyone will ever know for sure exactly whom to hold responsible.

The Diem assassination was a catastrophe for the United States. It seems that the Iraqi government -- really just a nascent poltical forum of local Iraqi leaders -- would be affected by the loss of its ostensible leader much less, but perhaps there are others out there how have greater insight than I do.

Cloned Poster

DOA you say, BID is what we use in A&E here, brought in dead.

I am sure you have read the tin foil stuff re israel/syria and missing cruise missiles, do you think the military and Gates have succeeded in foiling an attack on Iran?

Rob

I guess the phrase, winning hearts and minds" is lost in the US Senate.

It does not matter what plan anyone wants. Until the Iraq Government can actually start working somewhat like a government its all a waste of time and this is just political showmanship.

We have made so many mistakes and continue to make large mistakes that getting a working government in Iraq to do anything would take an act of God....

Over 3000 of our soldiers have died, over 30,000 wounded and lets not mention some 500,000 civies to have lost their lives or have been wounded.

Its sad though, we broke this Country and we actually owe the Iraqi people a working government and at this point it looks like we will not be able to deliver on that promise, no matter who has died and for what purpose....

Clifford Kiracofe

To focus the analysis:

1.Press reports indicate Les Gelb drafted the plan and gave it to Senator Biden who then worked up the legislation.

Here is Les Gelb's Bio:
http://www.cfr.org/bios/bio.html?id=3325

He is "President Emeritus" of the Council on Foreign Relations, the top foreign policy establishment org.

Three quarters of the US Senate then takes the cue in part owing to the prestigious CFR impramatur.

2. Hydrocarbon issue:

a) Kathy and and Bill argue thusly in current Counterpunch:

"The Teflon Alliance with Israel
By KATHLEEN and BILL CHRISTISON

Two recent offhand comments, both widely publicized, have seriously undermined whatever progress might have been made in exposing the fact that the Iraq war was initiated at least in large part to guarantee Israel's safety and regional dominance in the Middle East."
http://www.counterpunch.org/

b) Then consider:

"Assuring Israel of an adequate oil supply has long been a goal not just of Israel itself, but also of pro-Israel factions in the United States. Thus emerged a controversial plan that is still kicking around even though its chief booster, Ahmad Chalabi, could soon be behind bars.

Once the Pentagon's choice to lead the "new" Iraq, Chalabi promised to reopen an old British-built pipeline from Kirkuk in northern Iraq to the Israeli port of Haifa. The plan impressed Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and other conservatives influencing Bush administration policy toward Iraq in the lead-up to last year's war.

The idea also drew enthusiastic response from Israel.

"The pipeline would be a dream," Yosef Paritzky, Israel's minister of infrastructures, said as reported by Salon.com. "We'd have an additional source of supply, and could even export some of the crude through Haifa. But we'd need a treaty with Iraq . . . to build the pipeline."

Presumably the Israeli Minister of Infrastructure would reflect at least some opinion in Israel.

c) Then review the British Cabinet papers of the WWI and 1920s to understand WHY Mosul vilayet was added to the Baghdad and Basra vilayets to create Iraq. A careful review will demonstrate the oil factor with respect to pipeline projects out of the Mosul vilayet, refinery at Haifa, Brit naval considerations.


Mark Gaughan

50 States = 1 USA
3 States = 1 Iraq
Isn't that what the US Senate is saying? I didn't see them set it in stone. They think it's the best idea. Obviously it's not, because the Iraqis don't want that.

What next?

ked

Since no one has come up with anything much better (or likely - is the Grand ME Conf in the offing, or is that a Russia / US stand-off?), is it any surprise that the Senate has come up with something arguably no worse? In fact, if it is a bad enough alternative, might it drive wise behavior out of the WH & Al-Maliki (I realize I'm reaching here)? ANY path out of Iraq is looking good to me - so low have my standards fallen.

Jose

I hate to be the minority in this forum of wiser men than myself but, the realities on the ground have already partitioned Iraq into three separate states.

Under U.S. occupation ethnic cleansing by mayhem, intimidation and murder has happened throughout Iraq.

Over two million people have been forced to flee to Jordan, Syria and elsewhere.

In the absence on any political reconciliation or political will to act in any way, there can be little hope of solving this mess.

The Iraq Study Group might have worked, Colonel Lang's concert might have brought harmony but instead we have the capriciousness of the Decider.

Since you quoted Star Trek, let me quote Star Wars and please take with great irony too..lol

"Enter the bureaucrats, the true rulers of the Republic, and on the payroll of the Trade Federation I might add."

Matthew

The Neo-Cons believe that American Power and the American ideal of "freedom," i.e., our belief that free peoples will opt for American dominance , has some sort of inevitability. Actually, this idea has no historical or psychologial basis. Free people resist domination. Why would anyone believe that as Arabic peoples cast off their authoritarian governments they would welcome the American military and American corporations? It is the Sunni kings, not the Muslim people, who need the USA.

IMHO, the seige of Palestine for bad voting will be the larger and most long lasting metaphor of Bush and his "freedom agenda."

rjj

"Mayberry Machiavellians ... have thinned out lately."

much as roaches "thin out" during the day.

cletracsteve

If I were a parent or teacher here, I would say this resolution has worked wonders. Reading Juan Cole's posting of the weekly surmons translated in the USG Open Source Center, the reaction by the Iraqis shows hope: let's show the U.S wrong by reuniting across ethnic divisions. Reverse psychology at its best!

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