If U.S. soldiers buy into the Bush propaganda machine, then they are getting what they deserve. The United States of America is currently running on the perpetuation of lies. If uniformed military personnel can't see that, what can they see?
Actually pretty funny photo, but it also makes you wonder where their info is sourced. Does armed forces radio offer something other than Limbo and his rightwing ilk?
I would think Lina's thought differently. I would think: if the soldiers
buy into the Bush propaganda
machine, then they are getting what they have asked
for. They deserve better,
but to have any chance of
getting better, they will
have to ask for better, and
so will we. And I am reading hints here and there
that more and more of OUR
soldiers are "unbuying out"
of the Bush propaganda
machine.
At least these soldiers haven't lost their sense of humor.
It is important to remember, however, that we often use humor to engage issues too painful for normal conversation. And the painful truth in this humor is that the U.S. military is indeed stuck in Iraq and it's two years too late to ask "Carry" for any help.
I also have to second lina's concern, at least in regards the political composition of the U.S. officer corps. I just read this morning on Juan Cole's blog that 90% of U.S. officers identify themselves as Republicans, up from 40% in the 1950's. I find this a frightening statistic as it reflects a certain conformity of thought among our military leadership that I would not have thought possible. And while I won't go so far as to say that the military is "getting what they deserve", they are at the very least getting what they voted for. If anyone with more recent military experience has any insight into this political conformity, I would be interested in hearing their opinion on the matter.
Finally, I must comment on the general Orwellian nature of the Republican political attacks against those who speak out against our Iraq strategy wherein those who have never served act as the defender of all things military while those who have served (and paid the price for that service) are branded as defeatists. Whatever you might want to say for Kerry's service or his life after service, he did serve. The same is true for Max Cleland, James Webb, John Murtha... this list goes on, even to include Republicans such as Colin Powell and John McCain. Compare these men's sacrifice to those that criticize them now, critics the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, and so many other Republican hack jobs. That fact that today's officer corps finds such cynical political tactics attractive speaks volumes for their level of intelligence... much more so than "Carry's" flubbed line the other day.
****PL... I accidentally attempted to post this with the wrong email address. I apologize for the mistake. Here it is again with the correct email address. Thanks.****
At least these soldiers haven't lost their sense of humor.
It is important to remember, however, that we often use humor to engage issues too painful for normal conversation. And the painful truth in this humor is that the U.S. military is indeed stuck in Iraq and it's two years too late to ask "Carry" for any help.
I also have to second lina's concern, at least in regards the political composition of the U.S. officer corps. I just read this morning on Juan Cole's blog that 90% of U.S. officers identify themselves as Republicans, up from 40% in the 1950's. I find this a frightening statistic as it reflects a certain conformity of thought among our military leadership that I would not have thought possible. And while I won't go so far as to say that the military is "getting what they deserve", they are at the very least getting what they voted for. If anyone with more recent military experience has any insight into this political conformity, I would be interested in hearing their opinion on the matter.
Finally, I must comment on the general Orwellian nature of the Republican political attacks against those who speak out against our Iraq strategy wherein those who have never served act as the defender of all things military while those who have served (and paid the price for that service) are branded as defeatists. Whatever you might want to say for Kerry's service or his life after service, he did serve. The same is true for Max Cleland, James Webb, John Murtha... this list goes on, even to include Republicans such as Colin Powell and John McCain. Compare these men's sacrifice to those that criticize them now, critics the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, and so many other Republican hack jobs. That fact that today's officer corps finds such cynical political tactics attractive speaks volumes for their level of intelligence... much more so than "Carry's" flubbed line the other day.
It's very sad that Kerry couldn't turn it around by immediately apologizing and saying. Now it's Bush's turn to apologize for getting those kids into that Irak predicament under
1)false pretenses
2) too few numbers to win the peace;
3) insufficient armor; and
4) NO EXIT STRATEGY
the good thing about is it knocks dumbaxx out of 2008, the good thing about barak obama he knocks edwards out of 2008. Good riddance- they both voted to give Dumbya a blank check in Irak
"If U.S. soldiers buy into the Bush propaganda machine, then they are getting what they deserve. The United States of America is currently running on the perpetuation of lies. If uniformed military personnel can't see that, what can they see?"
Does a young US citizen who wishes to serve his or her country have to make sure the politics of the country is just right before they do so? Do career military people have to resign at the first sign of a screwup by the civilian (or military) leadership? If so, would not enjoy very good protection. The attitude that the military person is getting what they deserve in an unpopular and/or misguided conflict is the first step in vilifying the very people we are so lucky to have. I understand the discontent with the policy, but blaming the soldier for not being political doesn't get it. This issue still pisses me off from the Vietnam era. What are we as civilians doing to make things better that compares with their effort? We're dicking off at work sending our rants to some blog. We've got it a lot better than the soldiers, and they are not in a position to change the leadership. That's our job.
Oh, Kevin. Now you've gone and done it. Any active duty service member that deliberately ridicules a Senator, Congressman or the President - of either party - is an idiot. It brings discredit on the military. This is especially true if they don't bother to look into the story and get their facts straight, which these people obviously did not. Sorry if you don't agree. As far as the coward comment goes, I've fought several fires, crawled out onto the fantail of my ship to disarm two missles that misfired, ran out of air 90 feet below Manila Bay on my certification dive and went back the next week to finish it, rode a bull (for three seconds, anyway) on a dare and got my nose knocked out of joint chasing down a guy I saw breaking into a car in downtown San Diego. I had to quit drilling with the Reserves after 26 total years because of high year tenure, but I'm still in the IRR, so if the Powers That Be want me in "Irak" all they have to do is cut me a set of orders. So you can just KMA on that one, buddy.
What do you expect? Someone infers that you're an uneducated dupe, you don't just roll over and take it, regardless of the politics of the situation. It's a personal affront. So make a joke out of it, turn the tables - a pretty mature reaction considering.
Interesting goings on in the Valley you folks might enjoy:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/11/1/16612/1178
The picture looks El Presidente's education initiative has left some childs behind.
Posted by: JD | 01 November 2006 at 05:25 PM
Or as King George would say, "Whuchur point?"
MDA
Posted by: Michael D. Adams | 01 November 2006 at 06:29 PM
Idiots.
Posted by: LG | 01 November 2006 at 06:53 PM
That looks like Tallil Air Base.
There is a good chance that the M1117 in the photo was once mine ;)
Posted by: Kevin | 01 November 2006 at 07:04 PM
If U.S. soldiers buy into the Bush propaganda machine, then they are getting what they deserve. The United States of America is currently running on the perpetuation of lies. If uniformed military personnel can't see that, what can they see?
Posted by: lina | 01 November 2006 at 08:05 PM
Actually pretty funny photo, but it also makes you wonder where their info is sourced. Does armed forces radio offer something other than Limbo and his rightwing ilk?
Posted by: Sagredoh! | 01 November 2006 at 11:26 PM
I think it's pretty darned funny.
Posted by: taters | 01 November 2006 at 11:54 PM
I would think Lina's thought differently. I would think: if the soldiers
buy into the Bush propaganda
machine, then they are getting what they have asked
for. They deserve better,
but to have any chance of
getting better, they will
have to ask for better, and
so will we. And I am reading hints here and there
that more and more of OUR
soldiers are "unbuying out"
of the Bush propaganda
machine.
Posted by: different clue | 02 November 2006 at 12:50 AM
While I'm inclined to view Mr. Malaprop's comment (born with a hockey stick in his mouth) with leniency, this made me laugh, hard. Thanks pat.
Posted by: Dan | 02 November 2006 at 04:17 AM
At least these soldiers haven't lost their sense of humor.
It is important to remember, however, that we often use humor to engage issues too painful for normal conversation. And the painful truth in this humor is that the U.S. military is indeed stuck in Iraq and it's two years too late to ask "Carry" for any help.
I also have to second lina's concern, at least in regards the political composition of the U.S. officer corps. I just read this morning on Juan Cole's blog that 90% of U.S. officers identify themselves as Republicans, up from 40% in the 1950's. I find this a frightening statistic as it reflects a certain conformity of thought among our military leadership that I would not have thought possible. And while I won't go so far as to say that the military is "getting what they deserve", they are at the very least getting what they voted for. If anyone with more recent military experience has any insight into this political conformity, I would be interested in hearing their opinion on the matter.
Finally, I must comment on the general Orwellian nature of the Republican political attacks against those who speak out against our Iraq strategy wherein those who have never served act as the defender of all things military while those who have served (and paid the price for that service) are branded as defeatists. Whatever you might want to say for Kerry's service or his life after service, he did serve. The same is true for Max Cleland, James Webb, John Murtha... this list goes on, even to include Republicans such as Colin Powell and John McCain. Compare these men's sacrifice to those that criticize them now, critics the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, and so many other Republican hack jobs. That fact that today's officer corps finds such cynical political tactics attractive speaks volumes for their level of intelligence... much more so than "Carry's" flubbed line the other day.
Posted by: Propagandist | 02 November 2006 at 08:07 AM
****PL... I accidentally attempted to post this with the wrong email address. I apologize for the mistake. Here it is again with the correct email address. Thanks.****
At least these soldiers haven't lost their sense of humor.
It is important to remember, however, that we often use humor to engage issues too painful for normal conversation. And the painful truth in this humor is that the U.S. military is indeed stuck in Iraq and it's two years too late to ask "Carry" for any help.
I also have to second lina's concern, at least in regards the political composition of the U.S. officer corps. I just read this morning on Juan Cole's blog that 90% of U.S. officers identify themselves as Republicans, up from 40% in the 1950's. I find this a frightening statistic as it reflects a certain conformity of thought among our military leadership that I would not have thought possible. And while I won't go so far as to say that the military is "getting what they deserve", they are at the very least getting what they voted for. If anyone with more recent military experience has any insight into this political conformity, I would be interested in hearing their opinion on the matter.
Finally, I must comment on the general Orwellian nature of the Republican political attacks against those who speak out against our Iraq strategy wherein those who have never served act as the defender of all things military while those who have served (and paid the price for that service) are branded as defeatists. Whatever you might want to say for Kerry's service or his life after service, he did serve. The same is true for Max Cleland, James Webb, John Murtha... this list goes on, even to include Republicans such as Colin Powell and John McCain. Compare these men's sacrifice to those that criticize them now, critics the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, and so many other Republican hack jobs. That fact that today's officer corps finds such cynical political tactics attractive speaks volumes for their level of intelligence... much more so than "Carry's" flubbed line the other day.
Posted by: Propagandist | 02 November 2006 at 08:14 AM
It's very, very funny.
It's very sad that Kerry couldn't turn it around by immediately apologizing and saying. Now it's Bush's turn to apologize for getting those kids into that Irak predicament under
1)false pretenses
2) too few numbers to win the peace;
3) insufficient armor; and
4) NO EXIT STRATEGY
the good thing about is it knocks dumbaxx out of 2008, the good thing about barak obama he knocks edwards out of 2008. Good riddance- they both voted to give Dumbya a blank check in Irak
Regards. Will
Posted by: will | 02 November 2006 at 08:16 AM
"If U.S. soldiers buy into the Bush propaganda machine, then they are getting what they deserve. The United States of America is currently running on the perpetuation of lies. If uniformed military personnel can't see that, what can they see?"
Does a young US citizen who wishes to serve his or her country have to make sure the politics of the country is just right before they do so? Do career military people have to resign at the first sign of a screwup by the civilian (or military) leadership? If so, would not enjoy very good protection. The attitude that the military person is getting what they deserve in an unpopular and/or misguided conflict is the first step in vilifying the very people we are so lucky to have. I understand the discontent with the policy, but blaming the soldier for not being political doesn't get it. This issue still pisses me off from the Vietnam era. What are we as civilians doing to make things better that compares with their effort? We're dicking off at work sending our rants to some blog. We've got it a lot better than the soldiers, and they are not in a position to change the leadership. That's our job.
Posted by: Larry Mitchell | 02 November 2006 at 08:19 AM
VOTE.... spread the word
Posted by: tregen | 02 November 2006 at 08:25 AM
" Idiots.
Posted by: LG"
Coward
Posted by: Kevin | 02 November 2006 at 10:43 AM
Oh, Kevin. Now you've gone and done it. Any active duty service member that deliberately ridicules a Senator, Congressman or the President - of either party - is an idiot. It brings discredit on the military. This is especially true if they don't bother to look into the story and get their facts straight, which these people obviously did not. Sorry if you don't agree. As far as the coward comment goes, I've fought several fires, crawled out onto the fantail of my ship to disarm two missles that misfired, ran out of air 90 feet below Manila Bay on my certification dive and went back the next week to finish it, rode a bull (for three seconds, anyway) on a dare and got my nose knocked out of joint chasing down a guy I saw breaking into a car in downtown San Diego. I had to quit drilling with the Reserves after 26 total years because of high year tenure, but I'm still in the IRR, so if the Powers That Be want me in "Irak" all they have to do is cut me a set of orders. So you can just KMA on that one, buddy.
Posted by: LG | 02 November 2006 at 11:26 AM
Let me guess..He was for the joke before he was against it?
He is open season
Posted by: Kevin | 02 November 2006 at 01:11 PM
OK, it's not fair to Kerry...
But I gotta admit it made me laugh.
Posted by: EJ | 02 November 2006 at 06:51 PM
What do you expect? Someone infers that you're an uneducated dupe, you don't just roll over and take it, regardless of the politics of the situation. It's a personal affront. So make a joke out of it, turn the tables - a pretty mature reaction considering.
Posted by: ikonoklast | 02 November 2006 at 07:07 PM
Kerry apologized to no one before he apologized to everyone!
The photo is awesome and so is the Minnesota National Guard.
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Posted by: Maggie | 02 November 2006 at 09:57 PM