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09 September 2006


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They can't dump them PL. These front men, as I suspect you suspect, are stooges for the puppet masters. And things may, just may, get a little hairy around DC for them, if the 'wrong people' get elected in 2006 or 2008. If said 'wrong people' are Lieberman or Clinton types the puppet masters will be ok. You can cut a deal with that type. i.e. Woolsey like appointments. But if it's Dean type Dems, or Feingold types, or hell, just people that care about justice, as naive as that sounds, there could be heads rolling and people could go to jail. If the people get the truth, the dirty truth, there is going to be hell to pay. So the front men and masters have to hang together. Its a damage control game now. That...and, lets face it, hope for something 'big' to happen which will scare the crap of out people. It's an ugly dynamic that pits them against their country and their own citizens. Which makes them, ah what? Right.


greta post. Building on that, I would be very interested in understanding Woolsey's role - if any - in the passage in the Iraqi Liberation Act (in 1998 - i believe). This as you know, was the act of Congress that made the goal of ousting Saddam Hussein official US gov't. policy - even while Clinton was president. I read somewhere an analogy between the passage of that act and Lend-Lease in WWII, in terms of providing the way the LL provided the committment of the US Gov't. to thestruggle of WWII before the people were really ready, and giving legal pretext for "going after" saddam with such intensity once G.W. Bush came to office.

P.S. Steven Clemons at the Washingtonnote.com has written extensively of what he label "war profiteering" on the part of Woolsey from his current perch at uber-beltway bandit Booz Allen Hamilton

Got A Watch

I am afraid the rot has spread farther than that. IMHO every one in the Republican Party and everyone who voted for them must share collective responsibility.

The proper corrective measure would to be remove all top officals and strategists, lose the House and Senate, and get a Democrat President for 8 years. By then, the neocons should have been swept into the dustbins of history.


Anyone who wasn't retarded should have known long before the war that Chalabi was a fabricator, crook, and in bed with the Iranians. He burned the CIA in 1995 by not only forging documents(that the CIA was going to assassinate Saddam) but he also gave those documents and others to the Iranians! With a known and extensive track record of embezzlement, forgery, and betrayal, the necons in their infinite wisdom thought that he was a trustworthy source and worthy of being given millions in taxpayer money and many of our most valuable classified secrets. All because he told them what they wanted to hear.

But the fact that the idiot neocons dealt with this charlatan is no accident, it is systemic as you pointed out in your Drinking the Kool-Aid piece. They aren't going to clean house just because they were proven wrong(again), if they cared about the facts then they wouldn't have dealt with the INC in the first place. Wolfowitz's alarmism had been proven wrong over and over again before the war, dating back to the Team B fiasco, but he never lost his zeal for questionable sources and he still hasn't learned his lesson to this day.

Neocons are a lot like battered wives: no matter how many times they get beaten and abused by deadbeat conartists like Ahmed Chalabi or Roger Tamraz, they always come back to them for more because, "You don't know him like I do!" or "He's a changed man, he says he loves me!"

Green Zone Cafe

I ran into a couple of Woolsey's sources in the Palace in 2003-04. At least, these were Iraqi expats who claimed close pre-war connections with Woolsey and Wolfowitz.

Don't know if they had talked about al-Qaeda and WMD before the invasion, but after the invasion they were insufferable - self-promoting, bullying and corrupt.

There were many Iraqi expats who were excellent, even invaluable. There were others who were out to loot.


I'd say fools; how could so many supposedly clever people have been such poor liars?

What's odd is a nation of devious snake oil salesmen and cut-purse lawyers sincerely believed them.


Liars or fools? A distressing choice.

I hope they are liars. Because the thought that the fools are in charge is more alarming. Not much more, but more. Never in a million years did I expect to find myself saying I'd prefer liars. Depressing as hell.


on second thought, why choose? it's possible to be a liar and a fool.


Fools. To be a liar you have to know what the truth is.


I believe this Administration was formed and staffed with people with a distinct ideology to use our military strength to dominate international relations. They were predisposed to the Iraqi invasion even before they came into office. Bush, as hands-off CEO allowed Cheney, as head of the transition team and considered the "adult" to effectively form his Administration with more loyalty to Cheney than Bush. Bush's egotistical nature was aggrandized by these folks to move decisively towards a "unitary executive" state that they have advocated for a long time. 9/11 and the fear and panic that created gave them the opportunity. And the fact that since Clinton's election the Democratic party has been moving towards the similar corporatist philosophy did not provide any real opposition allowed this runaway train to gather steam. Until 9/11 the Bush administration was basically floundering and could very well have been a one-term presidency.

Ultimately though we as voters are responsible. The Iraqi civilians have every right to hold us accountable.



Spot on with all your comments, as always. Am still wading through the documents....

Interesting NYT article up today re portions of his report. One bit that jumped out at me here:

"A set of conclusions that included criticism of the administration's ties with the Iraqi National Congress was opposed by several Republicans on the panel, including Mr. Roberts, but was approved with the support of two Republicans, Chuck Hagel, of Nebraska, and Olympia Snowe, of Maine, along with all seven Democrats. Senator Roberts even took the unusual step of disavowing the conclusions about the role played by the Iraqi National Congress, saying that they were "misleading and are not supported by the facts."

And another here:

"Francis Brooke, a spokesman for the Iraqi National Congress, called the report "tendentious, partisan and misleading," and said that the group had not played a central role as the Bush administration built the case for war.

At the same time, Mr. Brooke said his organization was surprised at how little the American government knew about Mr. Hussein's government before the war, which may have forced the American officials to rely more heavily on the organization. "We did not realize the paucity of human intelligence that the administration had on Iraq," he said.'

Yes, THAT Francis Brooke. The Rendon Group employee with zero background in the ME who hired on with Chalabi after helping Rendon set up INC.

Entire article is posted here:

=”http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/09/09/africa/web.0909intel.php”>Link here


Bush and Cheney are oil men.

They concocted a colonial war to seize a vast portion of one of the world's vital natural resources.

Hence, there is absolutely nothing new here. Bush and Cheney are not creative thinkers.

When the Portuguese, followed by the British, followed by...followed by who cares, were colonizing and terrorizing Africa in search of slaves, they stated quite clearly that they were bringing Christianity to that region. In fact, they were the Africans' only hope.

Well, substitute Democracy for Christianity and you have the Iraq war.

Chalabi was convenient, but he was a side show.


liars instead of fools. Worsley is a Pro-Israeli NeoKon that goes back a long ways.

As Scott Ritter has been saying the lying is just not Republican, it has been bipartisan. The sanctions under Cllinton were bullcrap. Saddam was already disarmed. The real ploy was regime change.

The lying started at least with the Gulf War. Irak 1.

I've posted this before. but it's woth repeating. Doctored photos Cheney presented to the Saudis.


In war, some facts less factual
Some US assertions from the last war on Iraq still appear dubious.
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MOSCOW – When George H. W. Bush ordered American forces to the Persian Gulf – to reverse Iraq's August 1990 invasion of Kuwait – part of the administration case was that an Iraqi juggernaut was also threatening to roll into Saudi Arabia.

Citing top-secret satellite images, Pentagon officials estimated in mid–September that up to 250,000 Iraqi troops and 1,500 tanks stood on the border, threatening the key US oil supplier.
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But when the St. Petersburg Times in Florida acquired two commercial Soviet satellite images of the same area, taken at the same time, no Iraqi troops were visible near the Saudi border – just empty desert.

"It was a pretty serious fib," says Jean Heller, the Times journalist who broke the story."

Pat, you must have insight into that.

Best Wishes


"The Republican Party and the Bush Administration, even people in the VP's office, should consider "dumping" these men, and many others, before they are dragged down with them." - PL

The Republican party I can understand and it makes perfect sense. They need to get back to being the party of Lincoln.

But aren't the Bush administration and particularly the VP's office the redoubt of the neo-cons?

Patrick Henry

I think alot of you are now getting to the Nuts and Bolts of the ISSUE..

The REAL..(NeoCon)Nuts..

Zansibar...Right On..

Yes..Bush got a Bloody Nose..

The Report is a Damning Indictment for Impeachment
and Investigations into other Possible Acts of Espionage..and Betrayal..

What else do you call all these Clear Revelations and EVIDENCE..that Contradict everything Bushco told the American people and the UN..??

The Bottom Line in this Investigation are the
MOTIVES..of the Participants..

Why all the LIES..All the Manipulations..all the Knowingly Manufactured Intel..

All That Crap you misled Powell into Presenting at the Un..??


On Behalf of ..or Association with..a Foreign Government..or in Support of Agents..and in Collusion with Operatives of a Foreign Government..??

For What Purpose..??

Wooosleys WW~IV Plan..?


Come On you major News Networks..anyone got the Guts to get to the BOTTOM LINE..??

Yes...The Thorn Protected BUSH gets Doused with WATER once in~awhile..

But it still Protects all the Snakes Hiding underneath nit..The Ones Making all the Snake Oil..

And Bush thinks because He has Thorns..He is Protected..and will be another "Teflon President'" like Ronald Reagan..

So He reads Rewritten Ronald Reagan speechs and Waves the Flag ..

Hey..It Worked for reagan didnt it..??

We President Bush..you are No Ronald Regan..

And Unlike Mr. regan who got Credit for ending the Cold War..

I think You..President Bush and your Neo con(men) buddys..will get credit for starting the Next World War ..

Just remember..One Thing..

Once the News Media and the American people Realize what you ALL are really up to..

And they decide they dont want Any more of your War Plans..

Someone may realize the Best Plan is to Burn the Bush..

Snakes and All..

Tom Griffin

I can't help thinking of a passage from Machiavelli:

It ought to be considered, therefore, how vain are the faith and promises of those who find themselves deprived of their country. For, as to their faith, it has to be borne in mind that anytime they can return to their country by other means than yours, they will leave you and look to the other, notwithstanding whatever promises they had made you. As to their vain hopes and promises, such is the extreme desire in them to return home, that they naturally believe many things that are false and add many others by art, so that between those they believe and those they say they believe, they fill you with hope, so that relying on them you will incur expenses in vain, or you undertake an enterprise in which you ruin yourself.
(Discourses on Livy, Ch XXXI)


One science only will one genius fit: So vast is art, so narrow human wit.

A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, and drinking largely sobers us again.

Words are like leaves; and where they most abound,
much fruit of sense beneath is rarely found.

All seems infected that th' infected spy,
as all looks yellow to the jaundic'd eye.

To err is human, to forgive divine

For fools rush in where angels fear to tread.

Not hate, but glory, made these chiefs contend;
And each brave foe was in his soul a friend.

It is not strength, but art, obtains the prize,
and to be swift is less than to be wise.
'T is more by art than force of num'rous strokes.

The long historian of my country's woes.

- Alexander Pope, "Epistle III"



The correct link to that NYT article I referenced above is here:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/09/09/africa/web.0909intel.php”>CIA said to find no Hussein link to terror chief

Sorry about the typo.


Care to add "crooks" to "fools" and "liars"? I imagine that some of the Elmer Gantry brigade earn a good stipend by adding "balance" to the public debate. (Is that the old PBS "Newshour" backdrop behind Mr Hayes?)
Reasonable people will assume "truth" lies somewhere between such purportedly polar opinions on any question. Over time and with the virtually self-referential medicine show in action (plus a couple of nutcase "charitable" foundations footing the bill for the requisite "think" tanks) you can shift the argument so that what passes for moderation or conventional wisdom in the United States appears to much of the rest of the world (bar Poland and Romania, say, and Tony Blair) as bizarre right-wing claptrap.



Last time on that link. Either I'm going "dyslectypic", my html skills have completely left me, or mittelsheimers has degressed to an advanced stage:

CIA said to find no Hussein link to terror chief

Lee A. Arnold

Fools of course, but foremost, liars. They thought it would be an easy victory, with vainglory and hosannas. They figured it wouldn't matter that it was a lie -- they'd be easily forgiven.


Does anyone know if the statement, in the report, thatnoted Chalabi had been out
of Iraq since 1956 is actually true? That seems incredible to me, for many reasons. It means he was 11 when he left Iraq. And HE was our point man? WHat the hell did he actually KNOW about Iraq, except what he heard? And wanted to hear.


Interesting photograph: Does the cobra eat the mongoose?


Liars, fools and crooks. With this staffing the pretendsident could have taken the nation to war against Vatican City or any other conjured goblin. Congressional oversight is mostly dead. Not one senator filibusted the myth(s); and only Bob Graham (retired) tried to provide oversight. The US Fourth estate is mostly dead, being of one with the marketing pansies of corporate America, the Chamber of Commerce and the RNC - with the unexplained exception of NBC, which since mid-2003 tolerated Oberman's niche (about the only "news" worth viewing). From 2001 to 2004 even the NYT & WaPo had the tabloid fever. Why couldn't my former party just stick to honest scandals like Teapot Dome and Watergate?

TG - the Machiavelli was great.


Ever since "Drinking the Kool Aid" and all the other reports coming out further confirming that a group of ideologues effectively "took over" and "subverted" our national security and other government institutions and violated constitutional norms and precedent with impunity, I have been wondering what does this mean for our constitutional system. Maybe we are fortunate that this group is rather incompetent. However, the next time around another group using the failures of this group as a lesson come into power and act with ruthless efficiency and suppress any and all domestic dissent through a national "group-think". What concerns me deeply is the ease with which we can be manipulated and that our constitutional system cannot save us from our own gullibility.

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