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18 June 2006

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jonst

PL,
You summed it all up in a sentence! "As I wrote some time ago, the forces of Islamist irredentism and Israeli romantic nationalism are in charge and there will be no end". Given the subject matter that is an impressive feat.

And yes, you may "dare say...gone with the wind". Because it is. I think the dye was cast with Rabin's murder. But who knows...perhaps it was doomed anyway. Did you see the blip about Iranian 'forces' being contemplated for the Syrian border? You buy it?

W. Patrick Lang

jonst

No. What is the citation? pl

jonst

DebKAfile...which, believe me, I always take with a huge grain of sand. Still....some times they get things right.

http://www.debka.com/

jonst

Make that SALT PL...sorry. Interesting slip.

ckrantz

The official IRNA report. Seems to be part of a general diplomatic offensive from Iran. Like the recent deals with Turkey and Ahmadinejad in China.


http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-236/0606124306152735.htm

W. Patrick Lang

ckrantz

The Iranians are really feeling frisky. They have outplayed us in Iraq, have us running around like fools over their coming nucs and are now going to solidify the old alliance with Syria.

We caused this by our insistaqnce on treating the Syrians as "awlad Shaitan." pl

zanzibar

The Palestinian issue is one of the more vexing situations. Now there seems to be a brewing civil war between Hamas and Fatah with the Israeli's arming Fatah.

The Palestinian people have been let down by their leaders from Arafat on down. I never understood why Arafat didn't take the deal which Clinton brokered. In any case their life is pure misery caught between a militarily strong Israel with iron-fisted tactics and a divided and corrupt Palestinian political leadership only concerned with shaking donors for their personal benefit.

And unfortunately there can be no real debate and an even handed consideration of potential solutions here in the US since that provokes immediate rhetoric of being anti-semitic and forgetting the holocaust by the likudnik sympathizers.

I feel for the innocent Palestinians and Israelis with such a history of bloodshed, yearning for peace and getting on with their lives. I think the Palestine-Israel situation is a blot on western powers who have failed in coalescing a post-colonial compromise and transition.

W. Patrick Lang

Zanji

Arafat was not authorised by the Arab consensus to bargain over Jerusalem, only to rule from there. pl

zanzibar

"Arafat was not authorised by the Arab consensus to bargain over Jerusalem, only to rule from there." pl

I guess the Arab "consensus" miscalculated big time!

ckrantz

PL:
'The Iranians are really feeling frisky. They have outplayed us in Iraq, have us running around like fools over their coming nucs and are now going to solidify the old alliance with Syria.'

Yes. Which has me really worried. All the current trends seems to point to fullscale war over control of the Middle East nucs or not. And it's interesting to see how the locals are starting to accommodate the new Iranian powerbase.

Curious

So what was it I predicted? Hamas will not pick up a fight without thinking and actually try to manage daily problem of running a country.

And just about all second rate analysts went banana about the potential of Hamas going berserk.

Also notice Israel has tried 3 times trying to pick a fight. (bombing civilian targets, attacking hamas leadership, etc)

And Hamas has maintained discipline. Far more so than Fatah. (Ya got to hand it to them for that one.)

And somebody should pull the plug on Israel. They really know how to eff everything to meet their end. (not that I wouldn't do it if I were them)

Bombing stuff near negotiation time with Iran and Iraq needing some stability.

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