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22 January 2006

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bygraves

I have not seen this movie. What bothers me is that this movie and well alot of other things have been used by others to devide people into camps. I actually began to hate our dear flag after 9/11 because one party made such a point to wrap themselves in it. I began to feel a little put off when people wished me a Merry Christmas...This is wrong..It turns people off to politics not on to it.

RJJ

Annie Proulx is worth reading.

RJJ

Annie Proulx writes about people in a landscape - social, cultural AND physical. Nobody writes about the red-blue interface/divide better than she.

She delivers what Frank Norris might have, had he lived long enough; or Sinclair Lewis might have, had he not become famous too soon; or what Hamlin Garland might have, had he not been a perfect hack-jackass-cum-twit.

I can't think of an American writer I like better - possibly Stephen Crane.

W. Patrick Lang

RJJ

Who is an Ameican writer whom you like who is dead? pl

RJJ

an meaning one (1)? Can't do it.

after Crane, Norris and Lewis ...

William Dean Howells, Walter van Tilberg Clark, Willa Cather, Davis Grubb, Erskine Caldwell, Hemingway when he limits himself to hunting and fishing, Melville, OH! John Dos Passos!!!

Evan S. Connell, tho still with us, is the other number one (Chinese usage) favorite.

Hmm. All are northern, midwestern, and western writers. Possibly because to those of us who grew up in a world without gentry much of the South is as alien, mysterious, and exotic as the Orient -- or France.

sfm

Sorry, the posted review doesn't cut it with me. Having grown up in the West, there's a lot more truth in Brokeback Mountain, as well as a glimpse at the culture (or lack of it) and Proulx and this movie have nailed it. Here's a fairer review:

http://www.spiked-online.com/articles/0000000CAFlE/htm

sfm

let's try again with the bbmt. url:

http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/0000000CAF1E.htm

wcw

I love the USA trilogy, but later Dos Passos does nothing for me.

As for Southern writers, try http://xroads.virginia.edu/~DRBR/goodman.html

RJJ

I loved A Good Man is Hard to Find. It persuaded me to read more of her. Other stuff, not so much. AGMIHTF is southern YOB culture - not much different from the Appalachian variety.

marta

If you like Proulx' writing, you might enjoy Pete Dexter.

Ouch. I just went to Wiki to get a list of his books and came across this blurb. Explains alot about the authenticity of some of his darker characters.

"A former newspaper reporter, Dexter was a columnist for the Philadelphia Daily News and the Sacramento Bee. He began writing fiction after a life-changing 1981 incident in which 30 drunken Philadelphians, armed with baseball bats and upset by a recent column, beat the writer severly. The injuries, added to those he had suffered in traffic accidents and as an amateur boxer, left Dexter partially disabled and required years of corrective surgeries."

Erwin

SFM, You're welcome to your opinion, but the posted review not only is more cogent and considers the film from more aspects than the SpikedOnline one, it is also better written. What, for example, can this mean: "Brokeback Mountain ... is also uniquely able to say something about West [sic]in a way perhaps only a gay love story can." ?
Only a gay love story like BBM is able to say something about the West in the way a gay love story (of which BBM is the unique exemplar to date) can say it? BBM is the only filmed gay love story able to speak of the West in the style of a filmed gay love story? True either way, no doubt, but surely it's also true that only a veterinary love story can say something about the West in the way a veterinary love story can ... And only a love story about taxidermists... etc, etc. Personally, I prefer reviews to make linear, intelligible, points, not circular, nonsensical ones.

wtofd

Since we're taking a break from the ME, let me recommend Pete Dexter's Deadwood. Well written and hilarious. And McCarthy's Blood Meridian. Not so hilarious but brilliant.

sfm

There have been so many reviews written about BBM, that we're begging the question here. The review I mentioned from Spiked on-line chose to consider the movie from the perspective of those who have lived in the rural West and know its limitations and that is what the reviewer focused on. I currently live in the rural West and thought the comments were entirely appropriate. The other reviewer sniped at Annie Proulx, Larry McMurtry, with condescending folksy writing. Ugh.

remas

so, unlike so many of you strange (but wonderful still) people, I HAVE actually seen the flick, and, like you all as well, it is Wonderful. Really, really wonderful. It ripped my heart right up in the theatre and i am a very particular type if you feel like taking me seriously, i don't just tear up over anyting, or buy into just any piece of flashy/sappy/catchy media, whether it's tv, radio or film. this movie was quality, i'm very proud of the director and the actors for giving us all something worth seeing. of course it's going to stir things socially and in crap media, but as humans with open minds, i think there is a great deal of honesty and learning to be gained from this film. I hope we can all look beyond the stupid conversations, and i hate to put it that way, but i see a lot of them, and have had plenty too.. anyways onward with truth!

remas

also my apologies for changing the topic so abruptly, as well as not reading or commenting on the review for which this page was created. good luck to you all

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