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08 January 2006

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Serving Patriot

COL,

Putting the Levant back into the "Sunna" fold will also provide a needed front to combat the emerging Shia Crescent. And provide the Kingdom with military manpower (and expertise) needed to suppress thier own Shi'i when they finally do rise up.

Yes, one has to wonder who the "useful idiots" are in this whole deal...

SP

W. Patrick Lang

SP

You knows your stuff. pl

Gotham Image

It's always interesting to see a Muslim go to Canossa. Almost as interesting as seing Christian go to Mecca.

Last time I heard Perle on TV, he indicated the whole point was to destabilize, not provide security - To unleash chaos and it's attendent demiurges, so as to give birth to a new order of things.

What happened?

Gotham Image

You may wish to check out Leon Hader's piece today, on this topic, on his blog.

W. Patrick Lang

GI

If you can say that an alawi is a Muslim...

Factions of Jacobins... Yes. There were/are factions of marxists as well.

Perle may like chaos, but the saudis do not. pl

Jerome Gaskins

I'm confused: who are Jacobins, what is Canossa, and how do you put a Levant into the Sunna?

At least show me where to figure them out...

ali

Perle is either stupid or putting a brave face on it. Seems only Saudi and Iran are benefitting from his Creative Chaos notions and they are not his favorite people.

Where might this leave Iran's relationship with Syria?

Jerome Gaskins

Okay, I found out about the Levant, maybe, from Wikipedia: how accurate is that?

Referring to the Canossa, are you implying that Syria will also renew their Saudi conflict in the future?

The Jacobins sound like power-mongerers, who are no different, except maybe worse, than the tyrant they replace.

Am I right? Is it that simple?

Jerome Gaskins

And Colonel, why does it seem that the policies of the world leaders want to keep the Shi'a repressed? Were they like the Nazis at one time or something?

Everything I know about them says it's time for them to rule their own lives, free from Sunni dominion. Granted that I have little knowledge of their situation, but even 50 years is enough to be tired of an evil house guest or brutal spouse...

Max

I didn't get the implication of Assad's move and the Saudi connection. Would someone care to explain to us interested but less knowledgeable folks? Thanks.

W. Patrick Lang

Max

I only you were he...

Saudi Arabia seeks to restore Sunni triumphalist hegemony throughout the Arab World.

It is an understandable and justifiable goal on their part given the context. pl

W. Patrick Lang

From a knowledgeable Arab friend:

"The conclusion you drew in your SST assessment could not be more accurate.
From "source impeccable" as you say:
* The Saudis sent FM Saud Al Faisal to Damascus to give the correct impression that they "had something to say to President Bashar"... and prevent the locals from saying that he "went begging for mercy." The welcoming and farewell procession of Saudi Royals was intended to show same, says source in Prince Sultan's "radius." This of course, did not prevent rabid Jumblatt from barking loud.

* King Abdallah premeditated a "big affair" for the same purpose...

SOURCE in the OFFICE OF ------ -------- said last night: "We have asked all our small allies to understand that from now on, rocking the Syrian boat is UNACCEPTABLE. You can ask for the TRUTH until Kingdom come ... We will ask for it too ... BUT the STABILITY of Damascus is a Red line from now on..."

When asked about the petty allies in Lebanon, THE SPOKESMAN said "we took care of their Khater ..." "

pl

Serving Patriot

COL,

And now a new move by the US side in this little kibuki dance (http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20060113-090744-1472r)

Note: "Cheney's visit [to Egypt, KSA, and Oman] coincides as well with Egyptian and Saudi efforts to ease tensions between Syria and the West over the results of the international inquiry into the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri which named Syrian officials as suspects and requested to interview Syrian President Bashar Assad."

I guess after this little road trip, we'll see who listens to whom. In 2002, it is clear that the Admin did not listen at all to thier (Sunni) allies and blithely went their very merry way into Iraq.

Given Bashar's recent visit to the King, it will be interesting to see if the leading Arab states play a repeat role? My guess is that the message will not only be no - but Hell No! It is really hard for me to imagine the Egyptians or Saudis sending any military to the black hole in Iraq.

Then again, perhaps the quid pro quo will be irresistable?

SP

W. Patrick Lang

SP

Maybe if there was an Arab League or UN force? pl

Serving Patriot

COL,

In some other reporting, the pre-reqs noted for any AL involvement (using military forces) included an explicit invitation from the Iraqi government (doubtful one will come from the Shi'i alliance govt) as well as UN sanction from Sec Council(wonder how the Chinese and Russian would view this?). (John Bolton would actually have to do something useful in NYC then...)

From a Sunni brotherhood aspect, an AL peacekeeping force seems possible. However, I think the AL and major partner nations have set a bar too high (by design). Another polite way of avoiding the unpleasant business of actually saying "no"?

How and who would volunteer to fulfill a UN mandate to take over in Iraq? India? Not likely given colonial history. Turkey? Doubt the Kurds would like that very much! Asian nation? Irish? Nope, just not seeing it as any real possibility. The arguements of Summer 03 are even more potent now than they were then when the insurgency was just a scattered shadow.

SP

W. Patrick Lang

SP

I think that the growth of this kind of insurgency in Iraq was predictable before our intervention.

What was mor difficult to see was the extent to which foreign jihadis would play a major role in spite of their small numbers. pl

W. Patrick Lang

It is suggested to me that the US Government has the objective in Syria of regime change, and that contingency planning and reconnaissance may be underway.

So what! Plans and photographs do not equal capabilty for regime change.

Saudi Arabia's money and political influence will trump any amount of "exalted brooding" on the Potomac.

It is probably not coincidental that the USG is now allowing statements to be made in its name that S. Arabia has not really been "cooperative" in the GWOT. pl

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