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22 December 2005

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S.S.D.

Why did my post get deleted?

W. Patrick Lang

S.S.D.

It is not delayed I rejected it. It is my blog and you are banned. pl

avedis

"I will say again, Islamist movements have two agenda items in common......."

Yes, but how to stop them from achieving their objective?

The elections in Iran and Iraq (and elsewhere) suggest that the Islamist movement have a certain appeal for the populace.

I agree with your persective re: the bloviating of domestic academics. Yet, can you dismiss completely the idea that the US has projected an image through certain policies that help create a aura of attractiveness to Islamists movements?

I'm not talking about the hard core - they are what they are regardless of our actions/policies and they need to be dealt with through more severe and terminal means.

I am referring to the "street"; the voting populations. Afterall, without them, the hardcore is nothing more than a desparate fringe group.

At any rate, how would you propose altering the situation such that a better outcome occurs?

Serving Patriot

COL,
One point to consider with respect to MB gains in Egypt to understand exactly what level of support they actually enjoy.

Less than 25% of Egyptians who could vote are registered to vote. The turnout among registered voters was also small. Both the low registration rates and turnout are attributed to "passive" opposition to the current government and ruling NDP. I attribute it more to traditional Egyptian passivity and patient endurance.

So, how does one really judge the MB strength? Clearly, among those who did vote, they had gains (although this is not surprising). But, it does not necessarily portend the imminent rise of (another) sharia-ocracy in the region. Or that the MB has a large constiuency. (This is one reason why I think the Ikwan still has to conform to what the Egyptian people want and not solely rely on the tired dogmas of the past.)

The current situation will force us (the US) to make some choices. Do we continue to pressure Mubarek and his increasingly shakey "democratic" government to hew to the deomcratic process and incorporate the Ikwan's demands (and accept the likely anti-American result)? Or do we reverse course and follow the more traditional "support the dictator-at least he's OUR dictator" path? Do we give up now on the vast majority, or find a way to continue to connect to the "average Egyptian" who needs a job, clean water, education, and a home?

Given our recent track record in the region, I have my doubts we'll make the best decision - or even a learned one.

SP

W. Patrick Lang

SP

Without wanting to be argumentative, I would say that until we have some way to judge the sentiments of the unregistered 75% we know little about the state of MB support. I am leery of imputing to Islamist movements a willingness to listen to anything but the "voices" in their heads. Do we have such data about the 75%?

Remember the "hunt" for the "moderates" among the Iranian mullahs? we are still looking for them. Pat

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