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24 October 2005


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Some Guy

Oh I am ready. Trying not to get my hopes up, but we need to have powerful officials held accountable. Otherwise, the open society thing is pretty much pretense. It will be dangerous to have a completely disarticulated WH, but this WH has been incredibly dangerous all along without accountability. Hard to imagine it could be worse, but we will find out. At least we will (hopefully) get some justice for abuses of power.


Any predictions Mr. Lang?


The latest words:

Fitz is expanding his investigation to who forges the niger documents. We are beyond 'who outted Plame' now it seems.

So maybe finally we will see the truth.


In the interest of full disclosure I should mention that I did research for "60 Minutes" on the Niger Documents question. I am a consultant and they paid me to do the research.

I understand that Fitzgerald has obtained a copy of the classified Italian parliamentary investigation of the Niger forgeries.



Some Guy

A clutch of indictments and at least one interestng name among the un-indicted. pl

Michael Murry

I've always preferred the word "rectitude" in preference to "piety," at least in the sense of Marcus Aurelius and the Roman ideal of civic statesmanship.

In the Asian sense of accepting responsibility for humiliating failure, though, I'd really prefer to see the major principals of our nation's current, awful debacle come out in front of the White House, sit cross-legged on the ground and ceremoniously slit their own bellies open, Samurai style.

No rubber swords this time, either. It really pisses me off to see some "brave" bureaucrat "fall on his sword" only to show up the next day bright and early for work and a presidential appointment for the Medal of Freedom.

J i O


Wonder where Fitz keeps his piety while he's hacking and hooking in a scrummage?

A no-nonsense federal prosecutor who also plays rugby! Awwright!

Thanks for the personal confirmation on the forged Niger docs. Sy Hersh suggested a long time ago that former CIA types did the forging and suggested the sloppy job was intentional, as the documents were a sting designed to be Cheney bait, and Cheney bit.

Or, were the forgers part of the go-to-war plot who were just inadvertently really sloppy?

Your thoughts, Pat, please.


I have looked at some of the wingnutter sites and they have already received their marching orders from the White House. Their job: to smear Fitzgerald as a "rogue prosecutor" who is engaged in a "partisan witchhunt".

Remember, truth does not matter to these people. They are firm adherents to Goering's "big lie" principle, i.e., that one should lie baldly and unashamedly because people will then say, "nobody could lie so baldly and unashamedly, so they must be telling the truth!" Furthermore, they believe in power, and the unabashed use of power.

So the plan of action, as I see it, is part 1 is to discredit Fitzgerald by using the Big Lie tactic that has been so successful for them elsewhere. Part 2, of course, is that once they succeed in trashing Fitzgerald, they then dismiss Fitzgerald and replace him with a compliant substitute who will pursue charges only reluctantly and over a period of at least two years, followed by long drawn-out appeals, so that nobody is forced to go to jail before President Bush can pardon them on the last day of his Presidency.

Will they succeed? We shall see. We shall see.


I believe that the Roman ideal of citizenship was essentially part of their religion.



Mmmm...an independant with true integrity. Anyone with me for Fitzgerald for President 2008??? I'm so sick of the craven Dems and the good soldiers McCain and Powell, who cared more about their political careers than the American people.

spoon or no spoon

Good luck and God speed, prosecutor.

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